Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

It’s excellent news but I had Moderna x2 and Pzifer x1.

What does that mean for me?

Pfizer and Moderna are very similar design and seem to be generally regarded as equivalent efficacy.

 

[BlueAnorak]

This isn't the case at all.

If infectiousness doubles, the virus will grow exponentially. Cases would far more than double.

Yeah I know I updated the post to refer to weekly cases as a result of Omnicro in the UK.

 

[Octavian]

Pfizer and Moderna are very similar design and seem to be generally regarded as equivalent efficacy.

Ok fingers crossed that protects me against it. Cheers

 

[mcfc_ms]

Me and the wife felt like dog shit since yesterday, took a lateral flow and was negative, but apparently if you have symptoms they will give a negative result, heard that on tv this morning! So have had pcr test done just waiting for the result, hoping it’s just a winter bug, bloody head is banging and feel like I’ve been battered. Not had my booster yet.

Hopefully you feel better and it comes back negative

I had similar the other week, test come back negative, was just man flu and pretty much everyone at work has been getting similar too

Got my pcr result same day, which was pretty good

 

[BlueAnorak]

How is it not true? The WHO literally called us the Epicenter in July/Aug time and we clearly had far more than EU countries up until the last few weeks even if you count more tests.

When your testing 5 times more than Germany you pick up more cases than Germany.
We also decided to have more immunity in the community in the autumn/winter than many EU states by lifting restrictions in the summer.
I believe this has worked as it will show by the end of the Omicron wave.

 

[Healdplace]

Pfizer and Moderna are very similar design and seem to be generally regarded as equivalent efficacy.

And Astra Zeneca - I suspect will be the ones getting another booster right after Christmas as a lot of older people will have had that plus the Pfizer booster and not faring so well as those who had more than one Pfizer dose.

 

[jazzy]

All over 40s (2nd jab 3 months +)can get booster from today .

 

[Healdplace]

Sage minutes (on BBC now) say there will be 1000 admissions per day by end of year. And up to 2000 a day by January at the peak of this wave. High but not as high as last Winter.

They are calling from restrictions off the back of this.

These are Omicron only btw - Delta will be extra. But presumably a reducing extra as it gets swallowed up.

For context there were 728 admssions in England alone on Monday.

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Of course. You simultaneously claim to be the only truthful person and that scientists advocating more restrictions (most of them) are liars.

I don't think the vast majority who are against more restrictions are calling scientists liars at all. I've got no doubt they completely believe everything they are saying and giving an honest appraisal of the situation based on their expertise. These people are obviously extremely educated and at the top of their disciplines and their epidemiological views are quite blatantly worth considering.

However, their views are patently going to revolve around solely what is best for the epdidemiologic situation and they have no remit, brief or requirement to consider the whole host of other variables that these restrictions impact on (economic, social, societal, educational etc etc). It's like if you asked someone whose only interest and role was to prevent people being run over by cars - they could quite legitimately suggest banning all cars....

There are a number of people who are fixated by covid to the point of tunnel vision and only see things through that prism. It has always been obvious new variants would appear on a regular basis and so to lockdown and have restrictions every year is not a realistic strategy. I am a big advocate of the jabs and they MUST be our way out but like the annual flu jab, this is not going away and we can't hide away every year.

Most people will get their jabs, happily have their boosters and consider that to be a fair mitigation and do a cost-benefit analysis vs a disease which isn't the deadly plague many seem to think it is. If you turned the TV off no one would even know about at all this panic.

Vaccines will always be chasing the tails of new variants and so there has to be an exit strategy. Zero covid is gone so it can only be jabs and carry on with life imo.

 

[Summerbuzz]

When your testing 5 times more than Germany you pick up more cases than Germany.
We also decided to have more immunity in the community in the autumn than many EU states by lifting restrictions in the summer.
I believe this has worked as it will show by the end of the Omicron wave.

I'm much more hopeful now than I was in October, but...

The early signs were that Omicron has at least some ability to circumvent immunity gained through previous infection. Thus we might have wasted our time. If we're ok in February, amidst or after a full on Omicron wave, then I would have a hard time disregarding the thought that in the end, we got lucky with this new variant leading to less hospitalisations. Obviously, all that depends on what we learn about Omicron in the coming months.

That also says nothing about the effect of our 'community' approach on the health of the community going forward. But for that, we likely have to wait for doctors to report on the lungs (and hearts) of the nation 5 years hence.

A propos of nothing, just wondering lazily, how relevant of SA's figures might or might not be, due to the rather different weather they are experiencing. Damn, I know I would feel better if it was 21 and sunny.

Anyway that's me self-banning from this topic for a few days.

 

[Mr Coopz]

If continuous booster shots can’t prevent the need for restrictions or even possibly a lockdown in a more extreme scenario what hope do we even have ? People keep saying “stop fretting, it won’t be forever” but seemingly nothing we do is good enough in the long run. Hospitals eventually get overwhelmed regardless and we’re back into a depressing rut again. The virus has no boiological reasoning or pressure to lessen its lethality so we’re just stuck as we are pretending that everything will be okay when seemingly it won’t. Wish I could just disappear until this thing stops in its tracks and then reappear all of a sudden back into a better world.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Of course. You simultaneously claim to be the only truthful person and that scientists advocating more restrictions (most of them) are liars.

Perfectly consistent.

Sums up the nonsense the scientists are spouting. Lauding their boosters and confirming it's a lesser variant and then advocating restrictions. Go unpick their logic.

 

[Healdplace]

Sums up the nonsense the scientists are spouting. Lauding their boosters and confirming it's a lesser variant and then advocating restrictions. Go unpick their logic.

The logic I assume is if it is far more infectious many more people will catch it and a much higher percentage of 67 million people needing help even if no more dangerous still could swamp the NHS mid Winter. And kill others by default. So you try to slow down the rapid expansion to even it out over the winter and save lives.

 

[Healdplace]

Boris TV conference 6 pm.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Sums up the nonsense the scientists are spouting.

Take a look in the mirror and a dose of humility.

 

[grunge]

When your testing 5 times more than Germany you pick up more cases than Germany.
We also decided to have more immunity in the community in the autumn than many EU states by lifting restrictions in the summer.
I believe this has worked as it will show by the end of the Omicron wave.

so you think Germany has had the same level of cases as us since July? Really?

Reasons for what we did is beside the point. The point I was making was about us “not being in the pandemic anymore” which is nonsense, of course we are and I pointed out We were the EU epicentre for months which we were.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital numbers have risen on a Wednesday by the way for the first time in some weeks. Only by 26 to 6053. But more evidence the tide is turning. Very slowly is the good news so far. Only NE & Yorkshire (by 10) and North West (by 7) fell and did NOT go up today. All the southern regions did.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I don't think the vast majority who are against more restrictions are calling scientists liars at all. I've got no doubt they completely believe everything they are saying and giving an honest appraisal of the situation based on their expertise. These people are obviously extremely educated and at the top of their disciplines and their epidemiological views are quite blatantly worth considering.

However, their views are patently going to revolve around solely what is best for the epdidemiologic situation and they have no remit, brief or requirement to consider the whole host of other variables that these restrictions impact on (economic, social, societal, educational etc etc). It's like if you asked someone whose only interest and role was to prevent people being run over by cars - they could quite legitimately suggest banning all cars....

There are a number of people who are fixated by covid to the point of tunnel vision and only see things through that prism. It has always been obvious new variants would appear on a regular basis and so to lockdown and have restrictions every year is not a realistic strategy. I am a big advocate of the jabs and they MUST be our way out but like the annual flu jab, this is not going away and we can't hide away every year.

Most people will get their jabs, happily have their boosters and consider that to be a fair mitigation and do a cost-benefit analysis vs a disease which isn't the deadly plague many seem to think it is. If you turned the TV off no one would even know about at all this panic.

Vaccines will always be chasing the tails of new variants and so there has to be an exit strategy. Zero covid is gone so it can only be jabs and carry on with life imo.

I agree with almost all of that.

The reality of the last paragraph, however, is that *if* something like omicron pops up, assuming our current understanding of it is correct, we *will* have restrictions.

The choice we may end up with is whether these restrictions are planned (mask up, work from home, etc) or forced (people die as hospital treatment is restricted).

People will be naturally optimistic and in favour of jabbing and carry on regardless, until it's their relatives dying at home.

I'm going to do a @Summerbuzz and take a few days off here now.

 

[Octavian]

If continuous booster shots can’t prevent the need for restrictions or even possibly a lockdown in a more extreme scenario what hope do we even have ? People keep saying “stop fretting, it won’t be forever” but seemingly nothing we do is good enough in the long run. Hospitals eventually get overwhelmed regardless and we’re back into a depressing rut again. The virus has no boiological reasoning or pressure to lessen its lethality so we’re just stuck as we are pretending that everything will be okay when seemingly it won’t. Wish I could just disappear until this thing stops in its tracks and then reappear all of a sudden back into a better world.

Spanish flu was probably 1917-1921.

These things take years to fizzle out.

 

[Bluewonder]

Spanish flu was probably 1917-1921.

These things take years to fizzle out.

We didn't have vaccines for Spanish Flu and the reality is that there is 20% fewer people in hospital than there was 6 weeks ago. As I said earlier, this is political and nothing else.