Coronavirus (2021) thread

[tolmie's hairdoo]

So, is half the current rate of ICU occupancy OK?

Is it going back up to current levels as the disease surges through younger age groups OK?

Obviously, I think a resounding "no" on both counts. Personally, I don't fancy it, and society-wide it sounds terrible.

My doctor mate at Manchester Royal told me a few months back that it actually takes seven staff to maintain one intensive care bed.

Even legislating for older people not being admitted, the virus can't be allowed to rip through the younger age groups, the strain on the NHS would remain the same.

They would still need to somehow pick up the strain and bandwidth on all the other areas of the service which are sadly being neglected at present.

I needed a hospital bed last month, looking around, most people around me were late 30s to early 50s.

 

[inchy14]

Agreed, and that works across all countries when it comes to holidays.

The arrogance of some of the reporting in this country around holidays abroad this year, is surely typical Little Englander?

It will not be our choice to make.

Other countries around the world will be at different stages of their own vaccine programme, so it is pretty arrogant thinking for some outlets to suggest Gary and Sharon can have their two weeks in Marbs this summer, just because they have had their jab?

They are just as likely to remain potential carriers of the virus and still be able to transmit it to others (those not fortunate enough to have had a jab yet)

Equating risk can't be a personal choice, sadly, not in these times.

This is a global challenge and the laws have to be considered for the greater good.

If that means a week in Devon rather than Spain, then people have to accept that.

I have been genuinely shocked how many people assume this vaccine is the white Knight on a fiery steed.

Already booked my weekend in Devon for august instead of looking abroad. Have a weekend in Amsterdam booked for end of October but if we can’t go on that we can’t go. More should be holidaying in the U.K. this year, our economy could do with it.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Already booked my weekend in Devon for august instead of looking abroad. Have a weekend in Amsterdam booked for end of October but if we can’t go on that we can’t go. More should be holidaying in the U.K. this year, our economy could do with it.

That's a great outlook to have mate.

As you say, this country needs its people to be responsible, and spend their cash at home more than ever.

I am hopeful of going up to Scotland again in August and seeing some family and creating our own little bubble.

If Nicola decides to let us in...

 

[domalino]

When did we decide vaccines don't reduce ability to transmit the virus by the way?

Last I heard in December the Oxford trials had shown greatly reduced ability to transmit the virus and Pfizer and Moderna were conducting trials with the results pending?

Did I miss a big study coming out on mucosal immunity or are people just taking the "assume the worst until proven otherwise" approach?

 

[twosips]

my bro in law (nhs worker) who has already had covid last year, has had the first jab, has again tested positive.

Fingers crossed he's okay. If you don't mind me asking, when did he first have covid and how serious did he have it originally mate?

 

[shemnel]

When did we decide vaccines don't reduce ability to transmit the virus by the way?

Last I heard in December the Oxford trials had shown greatly reduced ability to transmit the virus and Pfizer and Moderna were conducting trials with the results pending?

Did I miss a big study coming out on mucosal immunity or are people just taking the "assume the worst until proven otherwise" approach?

Fact check: Scientists do not yet know whether the COVID-19 vaccine reduces transmission of the virus

A Facebook post, shared hundreds of times since Jan. 15, claims that the COVID-19 vaccine does not prevent transmission of the disease, meaning vaccinated people will effectively become “silent spreaders”. It uses this as an argument against introducing health passports. This claim, however...

www.reuters.com

no conclusive evidence base for either, at the moment

 

[mosssideblue]

You might well cringe but the country will be opened up when those over 70's are vaccinated.

The first 5 groups account for 94-99% of deaths, and there's just no way the country is going to still be in lockdown when deaths are down to 10-20 a day.

We will be in Tier 1/2, maybe 3 within a month of them hitting that target group.

Totally agree with that statement but dont agree it will be those numbers after the first 4 groups are vaccinated

 

[domalino]

Fact check: Scientists do not yet know whether the COVID-19 vaccine reduces transmission of the virus

A Facebook post, shared hundreds of times since Jan. 15, claims that the COVID-19 vaccine does not prevent transmission of the disease, meaning vaccinated people will effectively become “silent spreaders”. It uses this as an argument against introducing health passports. This claim, however...

www.reuters.com

no evidence base for either, at the moment

There's no *conclusive* evidence yet.

There is an evidence base for reduced transmission, The Moderna and Oxford trials both showed a decrease in nasal swab positives among the vaccinated group which suggests mucosal immunity (and that means not being able to carry it).

We need more extensive trials to prove that to be the case, which is happening, but to say there's no evidence for it's not right.

 

[shemnel]

There's no *conclusive* evidence yet.

There is an evidence base for reduced transmission, The Moderna and Oxford trials both showed a decrease in nasal swab positives among the vaccinated group which suggests mucosal immunity (and that means not being able to carry it).

We need more extensive trials to prove that to be the case, which is happening, but to say there's no evidence for it's not right.

yes, far from conclusive but emerging, bad wording from me

 

[Del_Bosque]

Totally agree with that statement but dont agree it will be those numbers after the first 4 groups are vaccinated

Hancocks stated in one of the pressers it will be groups 1 to 7 before we'll see a serious roll back as that will take out the huge bulk of hospitalizations as well

They are booking in group 4 already so hopefully the supply holds up

1 Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers
2 All those 80 years of age and over Frontline health and social care workers
3 All those 75 years of age and over
4 All those 70 years of age and over Clinically extremely vulnerable individuals*
5 All those 65 years of age and over
6 All individuals aged 16 years to 64 years with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality
7 All those 60 years of age and over