Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Healdplace]

England hospital data:

Patients 34, 015 - down 321 in day. Ventilators 3603 - up 33 in day

Regions:-



East

Patients 3990 - down 254. Ventilators 355 - down 2. Promising fall here.



London

Patients 7711 - down 206, Ventilators 1207 - down 13 and seven more promising signs here.


Midlands

Patients 6325 - up 47. Ventilators - up 4 to 602. Deaths high here. Highest numbers for both patients and ventilators ever. Not turning the corner yet here.


NE & Yorkshire

Patients 3830 - up 34. Ventilators up 18 to 316. Highest ever numbers here on both.


North West

Patients 4307 - up 65. Ventilators - down 3 to 381. Highest patients ever here but ventilatrs starting to look like they have stabilised last few days.


South East

Patients 5509 - up 16. Ventilators - up 17 to 531. Highest ventilator numbers yet\


South West

Patients - down 29 to 2337. Ventilators - up 12 to 211. Highest ventilators yet by a lot in this small region.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

The bbc usually do mention it, my point though is about the way they (and all media) report things in such a sensationalist way, and they do, but you and I and kaz watch the news, but a huge number of this country never watch any news, so will probably only pick the sensationalist news from social media outlets. Kaz said people do know the real daily death numbers, but I bet most don't have a clue. I don't think I would unless @Healdplace had explained it properly.

As an example, my wife watches the news too, but when she commented on tonight's bbc "record" headline with genuine shock, I had to point out that the number was bollocks, and the highest actual daily number ever is 1073, and that was back in April. I'm sure I've pointed it out to her before as well, but she's less interested than I am, so it probably went in one ear and out of the other, and that is the problem, most will only remember today's "record" number headline, until the next "record" next Tuesday (hopefully not, and it's started to retreat).

I don't even think that some in government understand the numbers never mind ordinary people, and I'm damn sure the media don't.

The numbers of deaths reported today are staggering whichever way you look at it. Yes the day people died was highest in April but current daily deaths will be in the ballpark soon enough, as the catch up happens.

What’s your view on the strain on the NHS being underplayed by the media until recent days? There seems to be an assumption (on here and in the media) that once the deaths start falling, services will recover quickly but that’s far from guaranteed. Many workers will have PTSD, waiting lists will probably take many months or years to bring under control and NHS staff (and potential recruits) could decide to pursue their careers outside the NHS eg to healthcare services that don’t have 100k vaccines.

Over the weekend, 10 Downing Street were briefing against Sir Simon Steven (Chief Executive of NHS England) probably to try push Dido Harding towards the job like they’ve been doing for months. That really would do lasting damage.

 

[ctwrd]

Interesting stats on makeup of hospitalisations

50% are in 50-69 age group
25% 70+
5% 80+

argument goes that whilst older = more risk, as elders are shielding it would actually make more sense to prioritise vaccination of 50-69 group first to relieve pressure on NHS.

effectively, the government is prioritising minimising deaths within 28days of positive test rather than the overall health of the NHS (and the knock on deaths caused by cancelled procedures, lack of people coming forward to be diagnosed etc

 

[worsleyweb]

My Cousin has got it and really struggling and In hospital and a bloke at work who had it recently just had a heart attack brought on by Covid. Still everywhere clearly.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

My Cousin has got it and really struggling and In hospital and a bloke at work who had it recently just had a heart attack brought on by Covid. Still everywhere clearly.

Sorry to hear that. I’m not convinced by the reported big drops in case numbers given the prevalence of Covid amongst BM posters and other people I hear about. I hope everyone recovers and also that the virus is in decline.

 

[twosips]

Sorry to hear that. I’m not convinced by the reported big drops in case numbers given the prevalence of Covid amongst BM posters and other people I hear about. I hope everyone recovers and also that the virus is in decline.

There will be a drop, but we're forgetting that we're dropping from an incredibly high point. Hence why so many on BM have it. We've gotten used to tens of thousands of cases a day, but that's fucking loads. 35k seems small given it was pushing 70k very recently, but it's still 35k a day. Ridiculous numbers and one of the worst in the world, if not THE worst in the world. 30k a day is still over 200k cases a week in the UK. For an easy comparison, Australia have had 28k cases....total. Throughout the pandemic. We're a mess. Hence why it won't feel like its going down, even if it is. Cos its everywhere still.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Btw - where does an oxygen reading of 95 sit? Average?

You get a more accurate reading after a small amount of physical exertion. If you drop into the low 90's from doing a few stair reps then you really need to be thinking of making a call because you can spiral down alarmingly fast from there.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I don’t understand how we can be getting so many cases/deaths. There is no mass gatherings, everything is shut almost. I don’t believe people are catching covid from walking outside

these are from people infected 2-3 weeks ago.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Interesting stats on makeup of hospitalisations

50% are in 50-69 age group
25% 70+
5% 80+

argument goes that whilst older = more risk, as elders are shielding it would actually make more sense to prioritise vaccination of 50-69 group first to relieve pressure on NHS.

effectively, the government is prioritising minimising deaths within 28days of positive test rather than the overall health of the NHS (and the knock on deaths caused by cancelled procedures, lack of people coming forward to be diagnosed etc

I'm in that 50% group but I wouldn't want to be done before more elderly, at risk groups. The last time I saw it the average age of people that had died whilst having Covid it was 82 and a bit.

 

[somapop]

Sorry to hear that. I’m not convinced by the reported big drops in case numbers given the prevalence of Covid amongst BM posters and other people I hear about. I hope everyone recovers and also that the virus is in decline.

It’s astonishing how it appears to have jumped from ‘I don’t know anyone who has had it’ to stream of us succumbing to it.