Coronavirus (2021) thread

[hammocity]

I have no issue holidaying the UK. I accept it, no problem.

Last night I had a look at cottages and hotels. I may have looked in the wrong places but availability is fairly low and the prices are scandalous. Even an old fashioned, very basic B&B in Kendal was nearly £2k for the week to accommodate the three us (one room). For research purposes, I looked at a motorway services Days Inn. Of course, I would never consider that as an option. The cost was £1300 for a week.

House swap is becoming popular, haven't done it myself but had concerns about Air B & B and I took the plunge, ended up in a brilliant bohemian apartment on the outskirts of Munich.

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[roubaixtuesday]

The specifics are everything though aren't they. We wouldn't have a leg to stand on had we been delinquent and slow in our approval processes and critically, the contractual provisions we had in place with the drugs companies put us at a disadvantage (i.e. our own fault) vs those of our EU counterparts.

And if my aunt had bollocks, she would indeed be my uncle.

Well, if the EU had taken the same approach we did, and the US did, and India now seem to be, they they'd not be exporting any vaccines, and our programme would be way behind where it is. I'm not sure we really wanted them to do that?

Again, I'm not arguing that the EU have done well, just that calling them wankers and painting us as whiter than white doesn't either help understand their position or what the best course for us to take is.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

the conservative UK government has a track record on free trade

Lol.

The conservative govt has just erected more barriers to free trade than ever enacted by a democracy in peacetime. But that's for a different thread.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Well, if the EU had taken the same approach we did, and the US did, and India now seem to be, they they'd not be exporting any vaccines, and our programme would be way behind where it is. I'm not sure we really wanted them to do that?

Again, I'm not arguing that the EU have done well, just that calling them wankers and painting us as whiter than white doesn't either help understand their position or what the best course for us to take is.

Even though they're behaving like wankers. Fine, whatever. This is a football forum, not the diplomatic service.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Even though they're behaving like wankers. Fine, whatever. This is a football forum, not the diplomatic service.

They're behaving how we would in their circumstances.

Maybe we're all just wankers.

 

[frothy]

interesting comparator of how different lockdowns are; Germany have scrapped plans for a 'stricter' lockdown over Easter which would have seen a max of 5 adults from 2 houses inside a house, from 1 to 5 April. They're continuing as they are, which i assume is a lot more lenient if that is 'strict'. I havent had a soul in my house for 4 months :(

interesting comparator of how different lockdowns are; Germany have scrapped plans for a 'stricter' lockdown over Easter which would have seen a max of 5 adults from 2 houses inside a house, from 1 to 5 April. They're continuing as they are, which i assume is a lot more lenient if that is 'strict'. I havent had a soul in my house for 4 months :(

Merkel saying she made a mistake, in other words the leaders of the various regions have told her to fuck off

 

[inchy14]

haha ''excuse me everyone, what am i doing in there with a dildo ?''

Had a mate who years ago took one to Chester races.... he was like a babe magnet with it.... girls all over him lol.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Lol.

The conservative govt has just erected more barriers to free trade than ever enacted by a democracy in peacetime. But that's for a different thread.

Er, 1 partial barrier actually. And since we managed to get a zero-tariff deal with the EU on the majority of our goods, AND we get to do our own trade deals with the rest of the world - which we could not do before - then we're in a much better position than many - including me - thought was remotely possible. But for another thread, I agree.

 

[Chippy_boy]

They're behaving how we would in their circumstances.

Maybe we're all just wankers.

No, because those are not the circumstances. You are speculating on events in a parallel universe, not the one we actually live in.

 

[M18CTID]

And I don't think the EU have behaved well at all on vaccines, but just consider this:

If the EU were way ahead of us on vaccinations, but most of that vaccine had been produced in the UK, and vaccine producing companies here were shipping more vaccine to the EU whilst our vulnerable people were unprotected, do you think the British govt would stand by and allow that to happen unchallenged?

I think not.

Probably not, but that's a hypothetical scenario and doesn't explain the gobby comments trashing the AZ vaccine from dickhead politicians across Europe which are doing their people far more harm than good.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data:

3 deaths - was 8 last week

159 cases - was 145 last week

1.8% positivity - was 2.1% last week

Weekly Pop Score 41 - was 42 yesterday and 43 last week

 

[roubaixtuesday]

gobby comments trashing the AZ vaccine from dickhead politicians across Europe which are doing their people far more harm than good.

Now here I absolutely agree.

The ignorant and ill-judged comments on efficacy and safety have been appalling, unethical and quite literally lethal.

Of course, they are national politicians - the actual EU (EMA specifically) did precisely the same as our regulator and govt

- advised to keep dosing
- rapidly investigated
- concluded safe.

So yes, dickheads, but not an EU thing per se.

 

[cleavers]

Totally agree on what you've said there. I think we're closer to coming out of this than a lot of other countries due mainly to the incredible vaccine rollout and the effectiveness so far of those vaccines.

The problem is, that no matter how good we are doing, lots of other places are going in the opposite direction, so we won't be out of it until the majority are.

As a country we are doing well, but the pandemic is worldwide not just UK based, and until a lot more of the world is in our position, we are not out of the pandemic.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales vaccination update:

1, 302, 974 first doses given - 14, 724 today - was 15, 064 yesterday & 17, 385 last week

366, 803 second doses given - 13, 456 today - was 7289 yesterday & 16, 202 last week

 

[Healdplace]

The problem is, that no matter how good we are doing, lots of other places are going in the opposite direction, so we won't be out of it until the majority are.

As a country we are doing well, but the pandemic is worldwide not just UK based, and until a lot more of the world is in our position, we are not out of the pandemic.

Exactly people forget the Olympics were cancelled last year NOT because Japan was in a mess but because most of the rest of the world was. And even this year it is not safe for the families of the athletes who waited all their lives to get there to be there and watch them.

We live in a world not a country.

Imo Boris should agree a truce with the EU and find a reasonable split of the AZ doses that exist so this nonsense of blockades stops.

We need them but so does Europe. Playing politics by either side just postpones the day we get back to some kind of normality.

Idiotic as some people have been over this we have to lay that aside and do the right thing for the continent we live on and most here likely want to visit in the next year not the next decade.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Not too surprising. Teens generally keep to themselves and if adults are vaccinated the places they connect with adults are defined (home+school+shops) and if the adults they meet are vaccinated then they're unlikely to catch anything

 

[BlueAnorak]

Breaking news: Italy raids an AZ factory and finds 29m vaccines initially anounced by the Italians as being for the UK - but it turns out they're for European countries (to add to the 5 day stockpiles they already have) and for Canada and Covax nations (Mexico etc).
Oh and the vaccines can't be used in the EU yet till the production facility is approved.
The EU and EU nations really have lost the plot and are floundering around like a Wilderbest caught crossing a river by a crocodile.

 

[Healdplace]

Zoe symptoms App sees cases fall by 49 to 4918 - it has been around the same number for days - much as the actual cases reported later in the day have been - all be it scoring a few hundred more. around 5400.

The number of people in the UK with symptoms of Covid self reported to the App however falls again as it has now for several weeks daily. Down 637 in the day to 73, 250.

More than one in 900.

North West falls again as a region and its range at 18 to 85 is the lowest I have seen it.

For comparison Midlands is 59 to 174, Yorkshire 46 to 179 and London 33 to 94

Scotland is 53 to 237, Wales 54 to 256 and N Ireland 51 to 621

One of just two white areas (for lowest case numbers) in the UK. South East England being the other.

Zoe can be a few days ahead of the data as it is reported symptoms that may precede tests coming back and being counted.

 

[M18CTID]

The problem is, that no matter how good we are doing, lots of other places are going in the opposite direction, so we won't be out of it until the majority are.

As a country we are doing well, but the pandemic is worldwide not just UK based, and until a lot more of the world is in our position, we are not out of the pandemic.

Which is why I'm advocating people holiday in the UK until other countries catch up. I was talking about where the UK is, not other countries and yes, even if the data continues to improve then the pandemic is still on but try telling someone in New Zealand that they're not out of the pandemic. It's hardly touched them