Coronavirus (2021) thread

[KS55]

Now here I absolutely agree.

The ignorant and ill-judged comments on efficacy and safety have been appalling, unethical and quite literally lethal.

Of course, they are national politicians - the actual EU (EMA specifically) did precisely the same as our regulator and govt

- advised to keep dosing
- rapidly investigated
- concluded safe.

So yes, dickheads, but not an EU thing per se.

Technically correct but the main trasher was President of France supported by mutter Merkel. That will have had an EU wide effect.
I see Mrs M has now reversed her previous position and says she will take AZ if offered; but the damage is done. Research shows approx 50% of EU citizens think AZ is not safe.
Macron particularly has responsibility for thousands of deaths.

 

[KS55]

Breaking news: Italy raids an AZ factory and finds 29m vaccines initially anounced by the Italians as being for the UK - but it turns out they're for European countries (to add to the 5 day stockpiles they already have) and for Canada and Covax nations (Mexico etc).
Oh and the vaccines can't be used in the EU yet till the production facility is approved.
The EU and EU nations really have lost the plot and are floundering around like a Wilderbest caught crossing a river by a crocodile.

I still haven't seen a definitive story about what happened to the doses bound for Aus that were blocked. Do they EU seize them, pay for them or what?
A BBC report said "it is not clear what happened to them". Anyone know?

 

[Del_Bosque]

Bizzare

 

[Rammy Blue]

Bizzare

It’s like a whodunnit in the worst possible sense, the EU are obviously convinced we are sneaking stuff around via our AZ connections and just making themselves look even more fucking stupid.

 

[feelymcfeel]

floundering around like a Wilderbest caught crossing a river by a crocodile.

Strong analogy

 

[Manc in London]

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I'd have to do a spring clean. No chance :)

 

[03 March 2002]

Trying to confirm but to my knowledge the Italian Catalent site isn't part of the supply chain for the UK. Market authorisation may have been updated since I last saw it though!

I'd wager...fake news.

Definitely not product bound for our fair shores.

When will the relentless assault end? It's bordering on slander.

 

[hammocity]

I'd have to do a spring clean. No chance :)

Lol, being in London you're in prime position, probably get a 6 room mansion in the North for a broom cupboard in the smoke.

 

[KS55]

Definitely not product bound for our fair shores.

When will the relentless assault end? It's bordering on slander.

It’s like a whodunnit in the worst possible sense, the EU are obviously convinced we are sneaking stuff around via our AZ connections and just making themselves look even more fucking stupid.

Must be a MCFC Plot. We do it all the time, y'know.
Put Uefa in charge.

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

Breaking news: Italy raids an AZ factory and finds 29m vaccines initially anounced by the Italians as being for the UK - but it turns out they're for European countries (to add to the 5 day stockpiles they already have) and for Canada and Covax nations (Mexico etc).
Oh and the vaccines can't be used in the EU yet till the production facility is approved.
The EU and EU nations really have lost the plot and are floundering around like a Wilderbest caught crossing a river by a crocodile.

The mask has slipped is all....trying to make out they are not banning exports whilst surreptitiously bringing in legislation to do just that.

 

[cleavers]

Which is why I'm advocating people holiday in the UK until other countries catch up. I was talking about where the UK is, not other countries and yes, even if the data continues to improve then the pandemic is still on but try telling someone in New Zealand that they're not out of the pandemic. It's hardly touched them

I was just reading about Iceland (similar position to NZ), but infection spreading there now (UK variant it appears), and they've no idea how it got in because everyone has to quarantine on arrival. A ship in the harbour has 12 infected with the Brazilian variant, though nobody has left the ship.

My point is that nowhere is "safe" no matter how well they think they are doing, it can still go down the toilet.

 

[Healdplace]

I was just reading about Iceland (similar position to NZ), but infection spreading there now (UK variant it appears), and they've no idea how it got in because everyone has to quarantine on arrival. A ship in the harbour has 12 infected with the Brazilian variant, though nobody has left the ship.

My point is that nowhere is "safe" no matter how well they think they are doing, it can still go down the toilet.

Yes, but our biggest plus is not just the vaccine roll out but that our testing is about 100 times more effective than it was last year.

Its the reason why everyone calls it the BRITISH variant. Because we found it very quickly and locked regions like the NW down to slow its progress saving many lives.

Other nations use it as an insult. Good on them. But they are missing the point. Our testing was a joke when called world beating rather foolishly when it obviously wasn't but now it actually is and just at the time in a pandemic when that is an enormous asset.

We tested nearly two million people in one day this week. That is out of 67 million people living here.

That capacity is a major asset in the war against importation and spread that cost us dear 12 months ago.

 

[cleavers]

Yes, but our biggest plus is not just the vaccine roll out but that our testing is about 100 times more effective than it was last year.

Its the reason why everyone calls it the BRITISH variant. Because we found it very quickly and locked regions like the NW down to slow its progress saving many lives.

Other nations use it as an insult. Good on them. But they are missing the point. Our testing was a joke when called world beating rather foolishly when it obviously wasn't but now it actually is and just at the time in a pandemic when that is an enormous asset.

We tested nearly two million people in one day this week. That is out of 67 million people living here.

That capacity is a major asset in the war against importation and spread that cost us dear 12 months ago.

We have plenty of positives of course, but places like Iceland, and the Isle of Man both show that there should be no complacency here, and we are much more open border to it than either.

Posts saying the "pandemic is over" are just ridiculous, and ridiculously naive.

 

[Manc in London]

Lol, being in London you're in prime position, probably get a 6 room mansion in the North for a broom cupboard in the smoke.

Don't. Occasionally, I take a peak on Rightmove and see what we could buy up north if we sold our house (basic, 3 bed semi). It kills me. We won't though as the missus is a home bird.

Be interesting to see what happens to house prices if so many continue to WFH. Could see people move out of the expensive metro areas, especially in the south, and move up north. I know of two colleagues who are now WFH in France and others who have moved up north.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths do look to have slowed down their fall.

Second day running the catch up numbers from the weekend are down but not by much.

69 versus 77 last week - last week it fell from 145 to 77 - a much bigger % fall.

That said only 8 from the NW is the first mid week single figure number in months from what has been a big catch up day in the region given its traditional low registering of deaths on Saturday and Sunday.

Also 10 of the 69 are a month or more old and 2 are from 2020.

 

[Healdplace]

We have plenty of positives of course, but places like Iceland, and the Isle of Man both show that there should be no complacency here, and we are much more open border to it than either.

Posts saying the "pandemic is over" are just ridiculous, and ridiculously naive.

I agree it is naive to think the pandemic is over until it is over everywhere.

But we have a lot of things going for us and if we do not screw it up again from here are in one of the best positions of any major nation.

Wanting to open up too far too fast is the problem but one I suspect this time we will resist as we are too close to blow it now. And I think that penny finally seems to have dropped with leaders if not some of the public.

 

[M18CTID]

I was just reading about Iceland (similar position to NZ), but infection spreading there now (UK variant it appears), and they've no idea how it got in because everyone has to quarantine on arrival. A ship in the harbour has 12 infected with the Brazilian variant, though nobody has left the ship.

My point is that nowhere is "safe" no matter how well they think they are doing, it can still go down the toilet.

Very true of course, and I've made the point previously that countries who have done well so far may be open to having bad outbreaks due to having very little immunity because hardly anyone caught it. A lot of the European countries that didn't perform badly during the first wave are seeing this now - the Czech Republic did incredibly well last spring and summer when you consider that they're not a relatively isolated country like Iceland and NZ, and are surrounded by other European countries, but their figures recently have been horrendous. And of course there's the Isle Of Man with their recent outbreak.

 

[Healdplace]

69 England hospital deaths

2 in Manchester - most in NW. 7 in Mid Essex most in any region.

Regions:- NE & Yorkshire 17, East 13, Midlands 12, North West 8, South East 7, South West 7, London 5

Age ranges:

20 - 39 (1) 1.5%

40 - 59 (13) 18.8%

60 - 79 (22) 31.9%

80 PLUS (33) 47.8%


Under 60s over 20% is notable.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I still haven't seen a definitive story about what happened to the doses bound for Aus that were blocked. Do they EU seize them, pay for them or what?
A BBC report said "it is not clear what happened to them". Anyone know?

No idea. I've been looking for this information too. Perhaps they just added them to the EU's unused AZ vaccine mountain.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Probably not, but that's a hypothetical scenario and doesn't explain the gobby comments trashing the AZ vaccine from dickhead politicians across Europe which are doing their people far more harm than good.

I was speaking to my colleague in Bordeaux about this only the other day and it's abundantly clear to many in France that their rubbishing of the AZ vaccine was nothing more than political bullshit.

And as an aside, the incidence of blood clot amongst those vaccinated with the AZ product is not only lower than in the general population (which I knew, but still find hilarious). What I did not know is that it's also lower than for the pfizer vaccination population! So suspending it over blood clot "fears" was always bollocks.