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ganganvince said:
Apparently the full production in the new factory which hasn't been passed off by the EMA so can't be used in EU
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They have a fucking cheek don't they. Same thing with the Dutch AZ vaccine supplies.

Not approved in the EU
Banned in France (because they hate us, no other reason)
Banned in Germany and other EU countries

Hissy fit because AZ choose send it to the UK rather than to EU countries to let it rot on the shelves. Wankers.
 
Chippy_boy said:
They have a fucking cheek don't they. Same thing with the Dutch AZ vaccine supplies.

Not approved in the EU
Banned in France (because they hate us, no other reason)
Banned in Germany and other EU countries

Hissy fit because AZ choose send it to the UK rather than to EU countries to let it rot on the shelves. Wankers.
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Same with the yanks hoarding vaccines that they won’t approve
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I'm anxious about going back to the office.
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I read a lot of bar staff in their 20s and 30s in Manchester and London feeling very nervous about re-opening after seeing friends suffer effects of Long Covid last summer.

They feel they don't have much choice as jobs are scarce and have a bit of a love/hate relationship with Old Codgers like me who have had first jab now and can't wait to get out into Manchester and Sheffield pubs again. I sympathise.
 
Chippy_boy said:
They have a fucking cheek don't they. Same thing with the Dutch AZ vaccine supplies.

Not approved in the EU
Banned in France (because they hate us, no other reason)
Banned in Germany and other EU countries

Hissy fit because AZ choose send it to the UK rather than to EU countries to let it rot on the shelves. Wankers.
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I think it's not quite that simple...

On the specifics, sites (and sometime specific production lines, dependent on the details) have to be authorised by regulatory authorities before they can release product to patients. MHRA for the UK, EMA for Europe, FDA for USA etc.

This applies both to the drug substance (in this case, bulk vaccine) and finished product (in this case filled vials).

Drug substance is made at a number of different sites, and filled into vials at many more.

In the EU, there are two drug substance sites for AZ, one in Belgium, and one in the Netherlands.

As I understand it (and I could be wrong) the Netherlands site has not yet been approved by any regulatory authority for production of this vaccine. The Italian site, which fills the vials, has been.

It appears that some or perhaps all of this stock is manufactured from Netherlands drug substance, and quarantined waiting approval of that site before it can be shipped anywhere. Describing it as "hidden" is likely to be journalistic hyperbole, to put it politely.
 
Chippy_boy said:
They have a fucking cheek don't they. Same thing with the Dutch AZ vaccine supplies.

Not approved in the EU
Banned in France (because they hate us, no other reason)
Banned in Germany and other EU countries

Hissy fit because AZ choose send it to the UK rather than to EU countries to let it rot on the shelves. Wankers.
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And I don't think the EU have behaved well at all on vaccines, but just consider this:

If the EU were way ahead of us on vaccinations, but most of that vaccine had been produced in the UK, and vaccine producing companies here were shipping more vaccine to the EU whilst our vulnerable people were unprotected, do you think the British govt would stand by and allow that to happen unchallenged?

I think not.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Happy to be guided by the scientists. I care more about others than my need for a holiday.
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i suppose the scientists will tend to give answers that are more science....adherent, for want of a better word. So if asked about possibilities or existence of variants, they are likely to give scientific answers that confirm said existence or possibility. However it is a sociopolitical choice, bound in economics and healthcare (amongst other things), that would consider the amount on which to re-open society. Scientists (as in the ones doing the work, not the PHE leaders etc) need to be shielded from making these decisions but also need to be truthful and factual about what they know. The policy/science interface is fraught at the best of times, this pandemic is stretching it to the limit i expect.
 
shemnel said:
i suppose the scientists will tend to give answers that are more science....adherent, for want of a better word. So if asked about possibilities or existence of variants, they are likely to give scientific answers that confirm said existence or possibility. However it is a sociopolitical choice, bound in economics and healthcare (amongst other things), that would consider the amount on which to re-open society. Scientists (as in the ones doing the work, not the PHE leaders etc) need to be shielded from making these decisions but also need to be truthful and factual about what they know. The policy/science interface is fraught at the best of times, this pandemic is stretching it to the limit i expect.
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Indeed, which is why we are gradually trying to reopen. It could work and we be back to normal, bar international travel, come June, or we could be locking down.

We are at the mercy of data at the moment.
 
interesting comparator of how different lockdowns are; Germany have scrapped plans for a 'stricter' lockdown over Easter which would have seen a max of 5 adults from 2 houses inside a house, from 1 to 5 April. They're continuing as they are, which i assume is a lot more lenient if that is 'strict'. I havent had a soul in my house for 4 months :(
 
shemnel said:
interesting comparator of how different lockdowns are; Germany have scrapped plans for a 'stricter' lockdown over Easter which would have seen a max of 5 adults from 2 houses inside a house, from 1 to 5 April. They're continuing as they are, which i assume is a lot more lenient if that is 'strict'. I havent had a soul in my house for 4 months :(
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Strange move. Dr Campbell video the other day was saying, based on analysis out of Germany, they are already over there threshold of cases per population that says in a months time they will be having issues with ICU capacity.

I guess that analysis was either changed or just ignored.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
And I don't think the EU have behaved well at all on vaccines, but just consider this:

If the EU were way ahead of us on vaccinations, but most of that vaccine had been produced in the UK, and vaccine producing companies here were shipping more vaccine to the EU whilst our vulnerable people were unprotected, do you think the British govt would stand by and allow that to happen unchallenged?

I think not.
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The specifics are everything though aren't they. We wouldn't have a leg to stand on had we been delinquent and slow in our approval processes and critically, the contractual provisions we had in place with the drugs companies put us at a disadvantage (i.e. our own fault) vs those of our EU counterparts.

And if my aunt had bollocks, she would indeed be my uncle.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
And I don't think the EU have behaved well at all on vaccines, but just consider this:

If the EU were way ahead of us on vaccinations, but most of that vaccine had been produced in the UK, and vaccine producing companies here were shipping more vaccine to the EU whilst our vulnerable people were unprotected, do you think the British govt would stand by and allow that to happen unchallenged?

I think not.
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But the UK was not and was never going to be so. We had bought 4 times the number of vaccines we needed by September (to allow for vaccine failures) and have since increased this to 6 times the number. The EU bought 2.5 times that and then the French vaccine crashed and burned leaving them exposed to vaccine production problems. Post christmas the EU have updated to 6 times the numbers needed (like us) but delivery times start in the summer.
Incidently the UK Conservative government has a track record on free trade so wouldn't get in the way of commercial agreements. They would be rightly castigated for not buying enough jabs!
 
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