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marcus said:
Specifically pubs/restaurants/festivals etc in this country.
Now the vulnerable are pretty much vaccinated and we are well on the way of jabbing a good chunk of adults ... why would a pub ask if u have been vaccinated ?

it doesnt stop u spreadung it, the NHS by then will be in an even better position ..

so.. for what benefit would a pub get by asking for proof ?
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I don't know but if as they may vaccines end up preventing spread then they could decide it may help prevent a future closure if ther is an outbreak amongst staff or regular customers.
As I say I don't know but any decision will come from individual businesses not government. My question is if some decide they want them or we need them for travel then who issues them ?
 
M18CTID said:
plenty of people rode roughshod over government advice to fuck off over to the likes of Dubai
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The fact that London/Dubai was allowed to become the busiest air route in the entire world during the 2nd wave, whilst travel was supposedly limited to "essential", is amongst the most egregious failures of UK COVID response.
 
Zoe App update: Says cases down from 4918 by 137 to 4781.

And that the number of people with Covid in UK Now is 72, 598 - down 652 on yesterday.

This number of people with Covid has fallen day after day for weeks now.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The fact that London/Dubai was allowed to become the busiest air route in the entire world during the 2nd wave, whilst travel was supposedly limited to "essential", is amongst the most egregious failures of UK COVID response.
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I agree with you
 
somapop said:
https://apple.news/AUMEWLvMZQsSWIVYZ5S-cgA


I’m surprised a little that’s it so low. There has been a few on here who’ve had prolonged symptoms & I’ve spoken to a few (running mates for example) which had long covid.

Im three months in and no chance of running at the moment. Still feel the cold quite considerably too (and I’m usually ‘warm blooded).

There was a marathon runner on the news yesterday who’s had it for a year.
I’d imagine I’d had a physical job I wouldn’t be able to do it.
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Have you received a vaccine jab yet?

I’ve got a colleague who had long covid for 4 months but his first jab more or less cleared it up.
 
shemnel said:
spec date, admission date, death date

i think it's a mixture of Marvin's theory that more 85+ can be accepted to hospital (which strikes a sad note for what has passed) and those positive tests are coming in hospital itself and the admission is separate? but then would the admission even be recorded.....

building on @Marvin 's suggestion, it could be that now hospital's can accept many more patients, oldies are now quickly removed from their circumstances to prevent spread? this is all baseless theory.

i think it's a bit strange myself.
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You have it .
Infection control in UK hospitals and care homes is still shockingly bad even after a year of Covid. It's been bad since Matrons were phased out and ventilation of modern hospital wards is shocking and cleaning and catering is nowhere near acceptable levels of infection control for a pandemic. See previous issues with MSRA etc.

Those who catch it and die at the moment are generally in hospiral for another reason and haven't been vaccinated due to their poor state of health.
Going into hospital without being vaccinated for an older person is basically playing Russian Roulette with their lives.
 
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Healdplace said:
That Israel data is very impressive. An R of 0.55. Lowest yet.
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Not in any way intended to say the same numbers apply here (could be wildly different for various reasons) but just out of interest:

Israeli case numbers were above ours consistently, and not even falling all that strongly until early March, when they started to plummet.

Assuming that was a vaccine effect, as seems near certain, we can note that ~100% of doses per population at that point. We're a *long* way behind that, just over 30%

So *if* (big if) the Israeli data is a good indicator of vaccination level required to suppress in the population, it will likely take weeks or months for us to reach that point. So continued caution with relaxing restrictions seems sensible.
 
I agree about that caution but do hope the pressure - which will be intense - to 'allow Summer to happen' does not get in the way.

The now month with reduced vaccine should delay the road map by at least another 4 weeks but seems unlikely that will be allowed to happen.

Starting to see some health groups expecting a case surge in mid Summer which I hope proves untrue but if we are not near to 100% vaccinating by then might be.

Reimporting the virus via new variants before all are vaccinated is going to be hard to stop as it is inevitable people will be travelling even if it would be preferable they could not

Still need to tip toe from here as running towards the light risks us falling into the big hole in front of us everyone wants to pretend cannot possibly be there.
 
Wales data:

4 deaths - was 4 last week

227 cases - was 297 last week

(rumours of another smaller backlog from January included today but the website has
gone down so I have cobbled this together from various sources)

Weekly Pop 39 - was 41 yesterday and 43 last week.
 
Wales vaccination update:

1, 320, 188 first doses given - 17, 214 today - was 14. 724 yesterday & 22, 904 last week

378, 795 second doses given - 11, 992 today - was 13, 456 yesterday & 15, 226 last week
 
Healdplace said:
Starting to see some health groups expecting a case surge in mid Summer which I hope proves untrue but if we are not near to 100% vaccinating by then might be.
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I doubt it. The U.K. came out of the worst of lock down last summer and cases were on the floor as tends to happen with these things in summer. If there was a similar summer led drop plus most people being vaccinated, I would imagine the numbers will be in double fingers only in July and August.
 
SWP's back said:
The U.K. came out of the worst of lock down last summer
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There were still very substantial restrictions through the summer, if not called a lockdown, and we had R>1, from a low level of cases, direct from the point where the last restrictions were lifted. Current roadmap has all restrictions lifted June 21st, so very different to last summer. Just how seasonal COVID is still seems to be very unclear. "Somewhat"

Healdplace said:
The now month with reduced vaccine should delay the road map by at least another 4 weeks but seems unlikely that will be allowed to happen.
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I think the vaccine supply is still consistent with the original plan, just no acceleration. Could be wrong.
 
Denmark extends the block on using AZ for 3 more weeks.

From my visits there and watching Scandi dramas I thought they were sensible in those parts.

Why even bother taking the 'poison' next month. By then nobody will want it across Europe the way this is going.

Either we are incredibly gullible in the UK or they are incredibly cautious or silly elsewhere.

Utterly baffled by how this is happening. As it is you are never going to be any more sure from yet more trials than the millions and millions of real life ones we have done in the past 4 months in the UK.

This feels like the world is laughing at us taking the dodgy vaccine whilst they sit and watch their elderly folk die.

It is heart breaking.
 
Healdplace said:
Denmark extends the block on using AZ for 3 more weeks.

From my visits there and watching Scandi dramas I thought they were sensible in those parts.

Why even bother taking the 'poison' next month. By then nobody will want it across Europe the way this is going.

Either we are incredibly gullible in the UK or they are incredibly cautious or silly elsewhere.

Utterly baffled by how this is happening. As it is you are never going to be any more sure from yet more trials than the millions and millions of real life ones we have done in the past 4 months in the UK.

This feels like the world is laughing at us taking the dodgy vaccine whilst they sit and watch their elderly folk die.

It is heart breaking.
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Danish rationale direct from the horse's mouth.

www.sst.dk

The decision to put vaccination with the COVID-19 vaccine from AstraZeneca on hold is extended for another three weeks

The Danish Health Authority’s decision to pause the COVID-19 vaccine from AstraZeneca remains in effect because the assessment of the use of the vaccine in the Danish vaccination programme against COVID-19 is still ongoing.
www.sst.dk www.sst.dk

Perhaps some of the context to this is that Denmark has a death rate ~5x lower than ours across the whole pandemic and even today has a death rate 5x lower than ours - they're not watching their elderly folk die.

So the risk of side effects might be seen as relatively more important than COVID deaths, which they have very well under control without extra vaccines.

Again, not saying they are right, but trying to understand why they might take a different stance.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
There were still very substantial restrictions through the summer, if not called a lockdown, and we had R>1, from a low level of cases, direct from the point where the last restrictions were lifted. Current roadmap has all restrictions lifted June 21st, so very different to last summer. Just how seasonal COVID is still seems to be very unclear. "Somewhat"



I think the vaccine supply is still consistent with the original plan, just no acceleration. Could be wrong.
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Yes, I think it is just that they moved faster through the ages down to 50 than expected so more second doses are due than originally planned and these have to be prioritised over first doses from the supply we do get - thus delaying the speeding up to the under 50s.

But the fact that they are even asking those over 50 now to get a jab booked ASAP as after next week they likely will not be able to in April suggests it is pretty tight on new doses altogether.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Danish rationale direct from the horse's mouth.

www.sst.dk

The decision to put vaccination with the COVID-19 vaccine from AstraZeneca on hold is extended for another three weeks

The Danish Health Authority’s decision to pause the COVID-19 vaccine from AstraZeneca remains in effect because the assessment of the use of the vaccine in the Danish vaccination programme against COVID-19 is still ongoing.
www.sst.dk www.sst.dk

Perhaps some of the context to this is that Denmark has a death rate ~5x lower than ours across the whole pandemic and even today has a death rate 5x lower than ours - they're not watching their elderly folk die.

So the risk of side effects might be seen as relatively more important than COVID deaths, which they have very well under control without extra vaccines.

Again, not saying they are right, but trying to understand why they might take a different stance.
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I guess so but it reinforces the terrible message.

I bet a large chunk of those in the UK would be turning down AZ now if they had not already had the first one.

More than one person who had it has said to me they are going to ask for the other vaccine on second dose jut to be safe.

I told them I do not think they can.

Mud sticks and then congeals and this lot is starting to stink.

I understand the arguments as most in here do so it will not stop me getting my second dose on Star Wars Day. But it is clearly filtering through to people here who had it and are fine that caution may be wise as so many people urging it cannot be wrong.
 
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