Coronavirus (2021) thread

[Tim of the Oak]

The problem is, it isnt just a consequence for them. If you live in an area where, for whatever reason, you have communities where vaccine take up is low, yours could be last schools to open. spend longer in tier 4/5/6. Whatever the 'punishment' will be for having higher cases. I can see it causing a lot of resentment

Yes but you can only do so much to help people. As well as individual responsibility, the communities who are affected have to lead the way in changing the views of the reluctant people.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data update:

59 Deaths - was 46 last week

705 cases - was 1153 last week

5.8% positivity - was 8.8% last week.

Weekly Pop Score 190 - down from 204 yesterday - was 281 last week.

Deaths still too high but that is unfortunately the last thing that will change.

Everything else looking very positive.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales vaccination update:

336, 071 total first doses - 23, 766 yesterday - about 1000 up on day before.

674 total second doses - 35 yesterday - it was 58 the day before.

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[Corky]

Looks like the new variant is less Asymptomatic than the 1st strain. More people are getting sypmtoms with it.

Less likley to have loss of taste / smell.

Cough/Fever/Fatigue/sore throat, more likely than old variant.

Stomach pain the same. diarrhea close but slightly more common than the old version.

This time of year a lot of people would have those symptoms annway due to cold/flu symptoms getting tested and also having COVID. Hard to tell what the cause is, as shortness of breath hasn't changed for example.

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland data update:

82 deaths was 89 last week

1201 cases was 1636 last week

5.6 % positivity was 7.0% last week

1938 in hospital (down 33)

142 on ventilators (down 3)

 

[Healdplace]

Nicola Sturgeon says yesterday's vaccine numbers delayed due to technical problem but she can confirm that 60% of over 80s have now been vaccinated and they are on target to complete that by end of next week.

'We have virtually completed' the vaccination of care homes' she says (but cannot resist adding England are well behind!)

And that over 70s will start being the main group vaccinated from next Monday.

Indeed some areas are already booking in 65 to 70s.

They want to exceed targets if they can.

(Though she did not say this - I will - unlike England where if areas exceed targets like the North West they get a one third cut in the vaccines coming here as a reward for being too efficient).

 

[ayrshire_blue]

 

[BlueAnorak]

As the EU can't do anything that Germany doesn't agree to, then what the fuck is the EU's problem with Astrazeneca?

 

[squirtyflower]

Then what the fuck is the EU's problem with Astrazeneca?

They won’t need as much then.
Less carping about fewer doses.

 

[Healdplace]

If that Tweet is true then I trust AZ tell the EU their order will be dispatched via tortoise in 2022.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

@rammyblue well you didn't have to wait long for that bad news :-(

Not good if this is true as this opens up a can of worms for the government and people that have already taken AZ over 65. Hopefully this situation can be managed properly and not turned into a UK v EU battle by the media - need that shit like a hole in the head at the moment - let the scientists argue their cases...

 

[blueparrot]

Then what the fuck is the EU's problem with Astrazeneca?

Germany.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

They won’t need as much then.
Less carping about fewer doses.

I don't think there'll be less carping. They'll still want what they've ordered, or what they believe they've ordered. Under 65s still represents a huge amount of population and in turn doses/orders.

 

[Healdplace]

I presume the UK medical bods who approved it for over 65s on the back of the same data will now be making an urgent statement as Germany are in effect telling them they risked lives of millions of people to get this out fast.

 

[Del_Bosque]

Wonder if we’ll swap their Az stock for our pfizer?

 

[squirtyflower]

I don't think there'll be less carping. They'll still want what they've ordered, or what they believe they've ordered. Under 65s still represents a huge amount of population and in turn doses/orders.

I know, I was being facetious.

 

[Healdplace]

I don't think there'll be less carping. They'll still want what they've ordered, or what they believe they've ordered. Under 65s still represents a huge amount of population and in turn doses/orders.

Yes but if not for over 65s they are not a priority so they can wait longer. Germany just cut the legs off the EU argument for urgent access. Go buy the better vaccines they think are safer instead.

The bigger question is do they have any case because many people much older than 65 have had AZ. My friend is 24 years older than that and has as it is what the Etihad are using.

 

[squirtyflower]

I presume the UK medical bods who approved it for over 65s on the back of the same data will now be making an urgent statement as Germany are in effect telling them they risked lives of millions of people to get this out fast.

Aren’t the US also using the AZ with their population?

 

[ayrshire_blue]

I know, I was being facetious.

Fair enough.

Yes but if not for over 65s they are not a priority so they can wait longer. Germany just cut the legs off the EU argument for urgent access.

Who decides if they must wait longer? I get your point and I agree with it, and not defending their stance in any way, but can still see them arguing to get their order as and how they think they've placed it, even if it's not for priority groups.

Might be off with this assessment, I don't know enough about the legal issues surrounding the whole thing. Just my interpretation looking in.

 

[squirtyflower]

Fair enough.



Who decides if they must wait longer? I get your point and I agree with it, and not defending their stance in any way, but can still see them arguing to get their order as and how they think they've placed it, even if it's not for priority groups.

Might be off with this assessment, I don't know enough about the legal issues surrounding the whole thing. Just my interpretation looking in.

I wouldn’t worry about it too much, it seems as though they have raided AZ’s premises