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Dubai Blue said:
He sounds incredibly dim, but not sure how you can conclude he's racist from that
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'India is dirty and unhygienic' is a stereotype.

India is a huge place with hundreds of subcultures. Comparing somewhere like Ludhiana to Chennai for example is pointless. There may be some areas with poor sanitation and others with high levels of pollution, but it's not the whole of India. The comment just stinks of colonialist stereotypes that aren't really true. Remember, India has the highest population of middle-class people in the world.

High population density probably has far more to do with the spread of COVID than anything else.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I’ve just had a call with one of my German colleagues who lives in Dresden. He had his first shot of AZ yesterday, which surprised me as he is in his mid 40s. He said the state he lives in, Saxony, has opened up AZ to any age group who wants it as so many are refusing it. He told a couple of other colleagues who live in Bavaria as it has done the same but they prefer to wait for Biontech (as they refer to Pfizer).

Interestingly, he has his second jab booked in for 12 weeks time but they aren’t doing that for Pfizer or Moderna.

It’s a real pity that so many European countries have effectively rubbished AZ to the point that they can barely use up their stocks.
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12 weeks as a guide is being quite widely overlooked now even in the UK.

I know several people who had their second one between 10 and 11 weeks. And as I reported yesterday I got called in to have mine at 10 weeks and 6 days unexpectedly. Though mostly as a few people are cancelling because it is AZ and they are worried. So they do not want to waste any shots. That was why I got the call as I could get to my doctors in 5 minutes as they knew and it was late afternoon.

So if you live near a centre and are due soonish you might find a call there late afternoon will see you lucky. Especially if it is a GP surgery where they cannot easily store overnight as they may have new supplies coming the next day with limited capacity.

May also be with an eye on the now all but certainty that come September all over 60s will be getting a third jab adapted for the variants.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
he's a top guy, but since Covid he's gone down the conspiracy rabbit hole - believes it's all designed for control by the 'powers' and to boost the digital company's, he's also an anti vaxxer surprisingly
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We all know one. It has ended a friendship with one fella in our gang; he has turned into a boring, irritating fruitloop.
 
Healdplace said:
12 weeks as a guide is being quite widely overlooked now even in the UK.

I know several people who had their second one between 10 and 11 weeks. And as I reported yesterday I got called in to have mine at 10 weeks and 6 days yesterday. Though mostly as a few people are cancelling because it is AZ and they are worried. So they do not want to waste any shots.
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I think it has always been between 10-12 weeks here rather than a rigid 12 weeks to the day. I have my second dose of AZ next Tuesday, which is 11 weeks and a day since my first.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I think it has always been between 10-12 weeks here rather than a rigid 12 weeks to the day. I have my second dose of AZ next Tuesday, which is 11 weeks and a day since my first.
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Yes it was never literally 12 weeks (though those given a date at first jab were given one exactly 12 weeks on) - but they do seem to have accelerated the ones getting called even earlier than 11 weeks recently. Though I know nobody for whom it was earlier than 10 or later than 13.

If it is speeding through the programme as we head towards ending restrictions it makes perfect sense.
 
Healdplace said:
Yes it was never literally 12 weeks (though those given a date at first jab were given one exactly 12 weeks on) - but they do seem to have accelerated the ones getting called even earlier than 11 weeks recently. Though I know nobody for whom it was earlier than 10 or later than 13.

If it is speeding through the programme as we head towards ending restrictions it makes perfect sense.
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Mine was 7.5 weeks 26th Feb and 17th April
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Healdplace said:
Yes it was never literally 12 weeks (though those given a date at first jab were given one exactly 12 weeks on) - but they do seem to have accelerated the ones getting called even earlier than 11 weeks recently. Though I know nobody for whom it was earlier than 10 or later than 13.

If it is speeding through the programme as we head towards ending restrictions it makes perfect sense.
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A friend of my wife’s was sent a link by someone to book her second jab and she was able to do so despite the fact that it was only seven weeks after her first. She pitched up at Irlam Lesisure Centre last week and they turned her away as it has to be eight weeks minimum.

Serves her right as she was only doing it to try to go abroad somewhere (anywhere) for a holiday.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
A friend of my wife’s was sent a link by someone to book her second jab and she was able to do so despite the fact that it was only seven weeks after her first. She pitched up at Irlam Lesisure Centre last week and they turned her away as it has to be eight weeks minimum.

Serves her right as she was only doing it to try to go abroad somewhere (anywhere) for a holiday.
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Thank you. But if those dates in that post just above are right then that one is under 8 weeks not over it, unless my sums are wrong.

Ah, good, see it has been edited and was indeed under 8 weeks then.

I think the decision on the 12 week efficacy has obviously been moderated for all sorts of reasons based on the data as it has come in. Which is as it should be. We were largely flying blind in the early days.
 
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worsleyweb said:
so I am one of 6 percent who still ended up Ill after vaccine! I still can’t move now. Lay in bed feel like ran a marathon!
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It’s even worse than that, in your age group it was around 3 in 100 needing hospital treatment, one dose reduces that by around 94%, so you’re actually in the 0.18% who ended up ill enough to require hospital treatment after a jab (rather than 6%).

Just thank your stars you already had a jab or it may have been much much worse.
 
SWP's back said:
It’s even worse than that, in your age group it was around 3 in 100 needing hospital treatment, one dose reduces that by around 94%, so you’re actually in the 0.18% who ended up ill enough to require hospital treatment after a jab (rather than 6%).

Just thank your stars you already had a jab or it may have been much much worse.
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fucking hell. I knew I would be ill if I got it as my breathing is so bad normally. I just cannot shake the tiredness off.
 
Almost a day on after the second AZ jab and I have had no after effects at all. Slightly sore arm but less so than with first one or annual flu jab and no excess tiredness as I had after the first for 12 hours or so. Most who have had their second AZ said much the same to me. But like me most of them are over 60. So it might be different if you are younger.
 
Healdplace said:
Almost a day on after the second AZ jab and I have had no after effects at all. Slightly sore arm but less so than with first one or annual flu jab and no excess tiredness as I had after the first for 12 hours or so. Most who have had their second AZ said much the same to me. But like me most of them are over 60. So it might be different if you are younger.
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Clinical trials reported far less side effects for 2nd AZ compared to 1st. Of course, there will be exceptions.
 
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