Coronavirus (2021) thread

[worsleyweb]

How many weeks after it did people start to get some strength and energy back.

 

[Healdplace]

Was looking at some data on the vaccinations and what puzzled me was that in EVERY age group more men than women have declined the jab.

These groups are pretty level down to around 50/60 but the lower you go the less men are taking it up. And in the 20s there is quite a big disparity.

As most of you are guys any thought on why as this baffles me given men are more likely to die from Covid.

Is it a sense of invulnerability? Or belief in conspiracy theory higher or just less care about health in general? Or a desire to be in control not cede that power to the unknown?

Just my musings. Could be miles off.

 

[Healdplace]

How many weeks after it did people start to get some strength and energy back.

From my family members who had it this varied but for some it did linger a couple of months.

Seems to be no obvious pattern. Just luck. All you can do is ride it out.

Glad you are at least feeling well enough to post. You will be over the worst now. That is the main thing to focus on.

 

[SPIDERBOY]

Was looking at some data on the vaccinations and what puzzled me was that in EVERY age group more men than women have declined the jab.

These groups are pretty level down to around 50/60 but the lower you go the less men are taking it up. And in the 20s there is quite a big disparity.

As most of you are guys any thought on why as this baffles me given men are more likely to die from Covid.

Is it a sense of invulnerability? Or belief in conspiracy theory higher or just less care about health in general? Or a desire to be in control not cede that power to the unknown?

Just my musings. Could be miles off.

Speaking of being baffled,I have a driver come into work,he's convinced it's all a hoax.
Told him to tell that to my wife who has lost 2 family members to COVID.
The guys mental,will not have it that COVID exists.......he comes into work a couple of days ago complaining about how sore his arm is after having the jab.
I was lost for words.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Was looking at some data on the vaccinations and what puzzled me was that in EVERY age group more men than women have declined the jab.

These groups are pretty level down to around 50/60 but the lower you go the less men are taking it up. And in the 20s there is quite a big disparity.

As most of you are guys any thought on why as this baffles me given men are more likely to die from Covid.

Is it a sense of invulnerability? Or belief in conspiracy theory higher or just less care about health in general? Or a desire to be in control not cede that power to the unknown?

Just my musings. Could be miles off.

More health and care workers are women and they were offered it first?

 

[Healdplace]

Speaking of being baffled,I have a driver come into work,he's convinced it's all a hoax.
Told him to tell that to my wife who has lost 2 family members to COVID.
The guys mental,will not have it that COVID exists.......he comes into work a couple of days ago complaining about how sore his arm is after having the jab.
I was lost for words.

It is astounding but then in the work I do I have met people who swear blind that things are true which most of you would consider (and often me too) about as likely as Boris being a Martian.

Some people do seem to fixate on opinions and not let evidence or observation over rule belief.

 

[Jimmieblue]

What I think would be interesting know are the stats on other hospital acquired infections at the moment. Surely with all the extra vigilance, no visitors, masks, hand washing, thorough cleaning, these must be at an all time low. Lessons might be being learned for future.

 

[Healdplace]

More health and care workers are women and they were offered it first?

Thank you that could well be a factor. Guess we will see if it changes as vaccination of younger ages becomes common.

Just been listening to Philip Schofield talking for ages about the vaccination and the only thing he was fussed about was why some people got a sticker and some did not. Asking for phone calls from viewers on the subject.

I never got one either jab but I hardly thought it worth a national poll as the little card giving proof was what mattered!

And my GP had e mailed me to report that my record of vaccination was now on line to give proof of having both jabs. Which I also assume is routine.

A sticker is more a showing off thing I suspect.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales data:

Back to just 1 day's data until next weekend at least!

1 death - was 2 last week

34 cases - was 69 last week

0.4% positivity - was 0.5% last week


Wales - as the country with the most vaccinated percentage and who are the first to get down to teenagers in routine first jabs are outperforming the rest now day after day.

Very encouraging to see.

 

[Healdplace]

By the way the data scientist who runs the UK Gov website release just tweeted his latest upgrade that is a daily updated % of vaccinations in a visual grid.

Went live yesterday and as of last night 66.1% of the UK have had one dose and 30.2% both doses.

These numbers are ONLY from the adult population.

Think this is more useful than posting national numbers every day as I have been doing.

But for the record Wales has now done 1, 884 . 372 first doses and 798, 925 both doses.

Out of a population of 3, 247, 165 in Wales.

But significantly less when just using adults of 16 or over. As for now children not being vaccinated.

2.6 million roughly in the 'adult' category - so that is 72.5% of the adult Welsh population have had the first jab. And 30.7% both.

 

[03 March 2002]

Cannot see it making a big difference, producing vaccine isn't like baking a cake. You don't just go on the Internet for a recipe. Stages in production will be closely guarded IP and any plant producing will have to have all its processes and product trialed, tested and then go through approval process.

there are plants in India that can churn this stuff out by the metric ton, main reason the dont sell them in India its self is cost. the pfizer one cost about $30 a shot which is about 2 weeks wages for most people in India.

if it means they can churn this out for a tiny fraction of the cost then its a bonus for them. shipping is another matter mind you.

Main concern comes from the fact that would these companies do a rapid vaccine for the next pandemic now...

Depends to what degree the process is covered in the IP and how 'exposed' that process would be by dropping the IP protection.

Any scientist in this field worth his salt can reverse engineer what they've done but the issue is the controls in place and each step of manufacture and making compliant material. If the whole dossier is opened up it will provide a complete blue print of how to make the material and how to control each step of the manufacture. Undoubtedly some places would be licking their lips at the idea.

The generics market exists to make profit. The sudden scramble for raw materials may in fact cause a price hike as competition increases. The cold storage issue is a real one for the developing world, not to mention whether there are enough skilled manufacturers out there to incorporate the production - mRNA based medicines are just in their infancy. The complexities exist even beyond manufacture of the drug substance, the lipid encapsulation and formulation are another hurdle entirely. There are not many places with the expertise to perform these 2 tasks on such a novel drug.
There will inevitably be questions over the quality of the material produced too (from the wider public) which may undermine production and cause hesitation to enter the market.

Typically generics are feasible because they only have to prove equivalency with the marketed alternative - thereby skipping the costly clinical trials and development. The cost is also driven down because the generics manufacturers are often the very places who were producing the material to begin with, for the IP owner. Once the IP protection falls off, they 'own' the process and are free to manufacture, with years of experience troubleshooting and sourcing materials.

The US Gov. would be better suited by mandating a price cap and maintaining pressure to produce beyond when the richer countries have completed their vaccination programmes and the cash cow dries up somewhat.

 

[paulchapo]

Wales data:

Back to just 1 day's data until next weekend at least!

1 death - was 2 last week

34 cases - was 69 last week

0.4% positivity - was 0.5% last week


Wales - as the country with the most vaccinated percentage and who are the first to get down to teenagers in routine first jabs are outperforming the rest now day after day.

Very encouraging to see.

Good I'm off with the family next week for a mini break, first since last summer, all of us double jabbed.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

72.5% of the adult Welsh population have had the first jab. And 30.7% both.

Wales has done notably better on cases in the last few weeks, currently less than half the rate in England. Potentially connected?



(note log scale)

 

[Healdplace]

The Zoe data today

UK Cases up by 38 to 1007

Symptomatic cases in the UK down 145 to 14, 814 today.

Falling notably slower than it was now down to such a small (never lower) number.

The GM numbers though are showing what the real world data is doing in my GM reports nightly and flagging up Stockport as a potential issue just as I feared last night. Hopefully we are both wrong.



Zoe numbers today show a huge fall in just 2 or 3 days for Chorley and some in Bolton.


Data here is local cases / rate per million


Chorley was 298 / 2571 is now just 8 / 72 - major drop as the outbreak seems contained

Bolton was 475 / 1677 is now 425 / 1499 - much smaller fall but it is a fall.


But other areas in GM are much more varied:-



Bury from 29 / 156 to 19 / 99 - big drop too.

Manchester from 184 / 338 to 163 / 299

Oldham from 20 / 86 to 16 / 69

Rochdale from 33 / 151 to 20 / 91

Salford from 33 / 129 to 29 / 114

Stockport from 43 / 150 UP to 124 / 430

Tameside from 32 / 142 UP to 171 / 765

Trafford from 67 / 285 UP slightly to 80 / 341

Wigan from 34 / 106 to 32 / 97


So as we see the Zoe data is exposing the data in Stockport that saw them rise over past few days. These levels are the highest they have been in some time.

Adjacent Tameside has by even more and is not yet showing in the case numbers. It has had 6 straight single figure numbers 8 or below and at 20 has the LOWEST Pop Score in GM.

So the above is a real test of Zoe's efficacy at prediction as Tameside getting into more strife than Stockport looks well nigh impossible.

Though for perspective 'trouble' is used loosely as even Tameside is half of where Bolton is and the actual case numbers flagged up nowhere near.

A watching brief is appropriate for now - not any concern. These things rise and fall in local peaks and always will.

Most do not mean at all that a new variant is running rife - just blips that will pass.

 

[Healdplace]

Wales has done notably better on cases in the last few weeks, currently less than half the rate in England. Potentially connected?

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(note log scale)

Thank you. Yes I was hoping you would have data to support my hunch that this might be a reason why Wales is being the most successful.

It had a couple of days ago just 3 people on icu ventilator beds and 66 in hospital (though it was up a tad yesterday after the bank holiday).

Either way it probably has more patients in hospital with many other problems now at higher levels than Covid there.

 

[ell]

I really wish covid would have changed peoples mindsets in regards to "soldiering on" and going into work when sick. It really shouldn't be applauded.

 

[Healdplace]

Btw on Zoe Wolverhampton is the new number one hotspot with 640 active cases and 2464 estimated per million.

As you can see significantly worse than Bolton (425 / 1499) now.

 

[Healdplace]

Scotland data:

0 deaths - was 5 last week

283 cases - was 178 last week

NB: THE LAB DATA FLOW ISSUE REPORTED YESTERDAY WAS LOCALISED TO SCOTLAND AND HAS NOW BEEN RESOLVED BUT QUITE A FEW OF THESE CASES ARE APPARENTLY FROM WHAT SHOULD HAVE COME YESTERDAY WHEN JUST 85 WERE REPORTED.

0.9% positivity - was 0.8% last week

58 patients - down 11 on yesterday - was 70 last week

11 ventilated - down 2 on yesterday - was 12 last week

Much better hospital numbers here.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Pure speculation, but my guess would be that the US has no intention of this ever happening - and for the reasons outlined by @Blue Llama it may be of limited benefit anyway.

But it gives them leverage against the pharma companies to enable supply chain and pricing for much wider access than current plans are: "License your tech to India yourselves and negotiate reasonable pricing or we'll void your patents". Note that AZ has already done this.

Specifically on Pfizer and Moderna, the need for frozen supply chains for those vaccines makes them problematic for the developing world anyway.

Re Pfizer - Believe the IP is held with Biontech which is German so wouldn’t fall under the US ruling if they do administer it and suspect the EU would have reservations about following suit

 

[Manc in London]

I really wish covid would have changed peoples mindsets in regards to "soldiering on" and going into work when sick. It really shouldn't be applauded.

Ah, the office martyrs who think we should be grateful for their presence. I have come across a few in my time.