Coronavirus (2021) thread

[lust overlord]

We're only here for a visit.

Some people would do well to remember that.

 

[Healdplace]

Greater Manchester

Weekly total cases:-




Tameside 298, Oldham 323, Rochdale 407, Trafford 433, Bury 437, Wigan 655, Stockport 695, Salford 745, Bolton 917, Manchester 1499.



Manchester is now pulling well clear. Bolton second but Salford and Stockport closing in fast. With Wigan not far behind.

We must keep hoping for a flattening off and fall that must come soon.

Nobody now left below 200 either and only Tameside JUST managed to stay below 300 today!

 

[lust overlord]

Having had the vaccine means you will be less ill but it doesn't preclude you passing it on to others.

So when do we get back to normal then?

Not sure that some people will ever be happy until the vaccine grants immortality.

 

[SWP's back]

Having had the vaccine means you will be less ill but it doesn't preclude you passing it on to others.

You’d best inform the CDC.

 

[uweblue]

feel sorry for you guys as it's completely unnecessary

I totally agree, this has got be bollox.

What's the point being vaccinated if we go back into lockdown

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I totally agree, this has got be bollox.

What's the point being vaccinated if we go back into lockdown

I’m not going to start panicking because some guy on the internet said some guy he works with said we might be going into lockdown [emoji849]

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Forewarned it forearmed as they say.

Ever since the Kent variant came along, this has been a race between vaccine development and viral evolution.

What do you think that graph shows?

I suppose it shows that the evolutionary pressure on viruses is to mutate into something more spreadable - not more deadly, as there is no point killing the hosts. The paradox we face it seems is that better and more thorough vaccination will interact with this evolutionary pressure to come up with evermore virulent mutations. It seems to be a numbers game with something around a 1% fatality rate for covid - so a more contagious variant will produce bigger numbers. Not sure what the answer is. We were always going to see an upturn in numbers as we came out of lockdown. I personally think we won't really be able to get a handle on how well thew vaccine is doing until sometime in October when the schools have had a few weeks to act as a human petri-dish, and the change in the seasons ushers in a rise in all respiratory virus types.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Having had the vaccine means you will be less ill but it doesn't preclude you passing it on to others.

But theyll have had the vaccine ...

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

For the sake of your own mental wellbeing its best to stick to official messages rather than rumours passed around work and WhatsApp groups. I remember in March 2020 when a load of people over here suddenly had a friend/uncle/brother/cousin/sister in the Guards who had apparently said motorways were going to be shut to stop travel between cities. It never happened.

 

[BlueAnorak]

It's 80% of adults, not all citizens, so we're probably further from herd immunity than that - schoolchildren are driving the current wave.

And herd immunity would probably require double vaccines, and maybe half of that 80% is people with only one vaccine?

But yes, it's very good news. It also means that every vaccine gets us proportionally a bigger step towards herd immunity, so vaccinating now makes a much bigger impact to R than it did it January.

Correction accepted.
Though it may help explain the plateuing of cases in Bolton.

 

[Healdplace]

GM Weekly Pop Data after today:~

Borough / Pop Today / 7 days ago / up or down wk to wk/ Testing is % of local population who have tested positive for Covid over past year.

As ever with Pop going up is bad, going down good - the higher the number the better or worse depending on direction moving. The Pop is total cases in past week versus 100,000 POPulation to even out the comparison versus size and expected cases based on numbers living there.




Bolton 324 / 375 / DOWN 51 Testing positive 10.9%

Salford 287 / 151 / UP 136 Testing positive 9.6%

Manchester 271 / 152 / UP 119 Testing positive 10.2%

Stockport 234 / 108 / UP 126 Testing positive 7.6%

Bury 229 / 152 / UP 77 Testing positive 9.6%

Wigan 199 / 89 / UP 110 Testing positive 9.3%

Trafford 187 / 78 / UP 95 Testing positive 7.4

Rochdale 183 / 99 / UP 84 Testing positive 10.0 %

Oldham 136 / 74 / UP 62 Testing positive 10.1%

Tameside 132 / 69 / UP 63 Testing positive 8.4


Bolton up slightly but still the only place falling week to week in GM and only 37 now ahead of Salford as the leader of the trio rapidly catching it.With Manchester not much further behind,

Stockport now back a bit and closer to Bury.

Four huge week to week jumps over 100 now and almost five.

But tomorrow we are at the point where we start matching already high scores from last week. With luck that will lead to some falls if the rise truly is stalling. Or at least less startling climbs in Pop Scores.

Though Bolton has been falling for 10 days or so now it has flatenned off around the point where Salford and Stockport have risen up towards.

These three boroughs are not dissimilar in size so this seems to be about the 'peak average' - whereas Manchester is still going up and less clear where it will flatten off.

We need to see some real downward movement before we can start to think some control on numbers will follow.

 

[True_Blue69]

Having had the vaccine means you will be less ill but it doesn't preclude you passing it on to others.

The vulnerable are all vaccinated, it’s not going to be 100% protection but now that they are it’s time to get on with things. If people are still worried then they can self isolate until they are comfortable to get on with life. Those who are happy to live with the risk should be allowed to, like we do every day of our lives with all the other illnesses we can catch.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

The vulnerable are not all vaccinated.
I have a family member who cannot have any of the vaccines because of previous medical history.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Though it may help explain the plateuing of cases in Bolton.

Yes indeed.

It would be great if there was a clear understanding of Bolton plateau, between surge vaccination hastening herd immunity, voluntary behaviour changes, surge testing, school making etc etc. Maybe a bit of all of these.

 

[Healdplace]

GM VACCINE UPDATE:


Latest Vaccine Update by Population Percentage for 10 GM boroughs

Borough/ First Dose / Both Doses / TODAY V YESTERDAY



BOLTON 72.8% / 49.5% V 72.6% / 49.1%

BURY 72.2% / 51.9% V 71 7% / 51.8%

MANCHESTER 52.7 / 31.0 % V 52.6% / 30.7%

OLDHAM 67.1% / 46.9% V 66.9% / 46.2%

ROCHDALE 70.4% / 46.4% V 70.1% / 46.0%

SALFORD 59.5 % / 40. 6 % V 59.3% / 40.5%

STOCKPORT 75.7% / 54.6% V 75.6% / 54.2%

TAMESIDE 71.0% / 49.8 % V 70.9% / 49.4%

TRAFFORD 73.4% / 51.5% V 73.2% / 51.1%

WIGAN 74.9% / 53.5% V 74.7% / 53.1%

 

[Scottyboi]

The vulnerable are not all vaccinated.
I have a family member who cannot have any of the vaccines because of previous medical history.

Horrible position to be in, get ill from the vaccine or the virus it's a lose lose.

Guessing they are having to shield for the forceable?

 

[feelymcfeel]

The vulnerable are not all vaccinated.
I have a family member who cannot have any of the vaccines because of previous medical history.

And this will never change. Should we remain as we are indefinitely?

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

For the sake of your own mental wellbeing its best to stick to official messages rather than rumours passed around work and WhatsApp groups. I remember in March 2020 when a load of people over here suddenly had a friend/uncle/brother/cousin/sister in the Guards who had apparently said motorways were going to be shut to stop travel between cities. It never happened.

The best one from around then was the photo doing the rounds of tanks on a motorway supposedly in one of the major uk cities….

…on the wrong side of the road [emoji849]

Some people will sadly believe any old shite they hear or see. It’s how Trump and Brexit happened.

 

[True_Blue69]

The vulnerable are not all vaccinated.
I have a family member who cannot have any of the vaccines because of previous medical history.

So what do you suggest then? Stay in and out of lockdown forever for an incredibly small minority? My Mum is highly vulnerable if she ever gets a chest infection due to scarring on her lungs post pneumonia, I don’t think we should lockdown every winter to reduce the chance of her catching one as it’s just not practical.

 

[Quad]

I’m on holiday at the moment, in the swimming pool no social distancing happen , but the pubs , restaurants, rides and show places all make you mask and sanitize

but what I noticed the people with the lanyards look very un healthy people and there is so many over weight people here, tucking into 4 servings off buffet food