Coronavirus (2021) thread

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johnnymarrsbarres said:
People who don’t vaccinate their kids don’t deserve kids.
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I worked in biomedical sciences for a decade and understand the technology used in these vaccines. And I’m pro vaccine. But that is a load of bollocks mate. Complete shit. You can not, ever, have compulsory vaccines.

The ethical problems that arise from that should be obvious. But when we do finally start to look at ethical scientific practice we will then see why these gain of function experiments were being funded in China.
 
Need some help please....

My 27 year old stepson has said that he's not going to have the Pfizer, AZ or Moderns vaccines as they haven't been tested fully in regards to any effect they may have on fertility. I'm not sure where he's got this information from (or even if there is any truth in it) so I'd really appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction of 'proper' scientific papers showing that there isn't an issue here.

I'm worried that he's just started to dip his toe into the anti-vax shit that's out there. If he does go down that particular rabbit hole then it's no exaggeration that it will be then end of father/son relationship after 23 years :-(
 
Manchester33 said:
I don't care at all about the notion of 'freedom day', but not everyone hoping for that date to come to fruition are 'snowflakes who can't wear a mask in a supermarket'. I'd gladly continue wearing a mask, I'd gladly adhere to social distancing, I'd gladly give up any hopes of foreign travel this year.

But what I'm not happy to go along with is my wedding being delayed for a 3rd time, at less than a months notice and at a large cost to me and my fiance, when the virus isn't anywhere near to overwhelming the NHS. They've done pilots and proved that they can host such events safely.
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The 30 person limit on weddings and christenings is being lifted on 21st June and is exempt from any further extension to lockdown restrictions.
 
Cheesy said:
Need some help please....

My 27 year old stepson has said that he's not going to have the Pfizer, AZ or Moderns vaccines as they haven't been tested fully in regards to any effect they may have on fertility. I'm not sure where he's got this information from (or even if there is any truth in it) so I'd really appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction of 'proper' scientific papers showing that there isn't an issue here.

I'm worried that he's just started to dip his toe into the anti-vax shit that's out there. If he does go down that particular rabbit hole then it's no exaggeration that it will be then end of father/son relationship after 23 years :-(
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There's a general article here on fertility but it does not cover mRNA.

http://www.britishfertilitysociety.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Covid19-Vaccines-FAQ-1_3.pdf

The body uses mRNA all the time. Viruses inject their own RNA into us all the time. Colds. Same with animals. They're all still around.

Simplest solution will be to wait a little while for other vaccines to come through. Astrazeneca has the very minor blood-clotting issue but there are others which are whole virus vaccines based on older technology. One that will almost certainly be launched in the Autumn is this one. If he's backed himself into a corner ask him would he get a vaccine if it was based on an old tried and tested science and ie he says yes, then have this in mind: https://valneva.com/research-development/covid-19-vla2001/
 
Looking like the Pfizer vaccine rollout will slow for the next few weeks..not the best timing
 
AltrinchamBlue said:
I worked in biomedical sciences for a decade and understand the technology used in these vaccines. And I’m pro vaccine. But that is a load of bollocks mate. Complete shit. You can not, ever, have compulsory vaccines.

The ethical problems that arise from that should be obvious. But when we do finally start to look at ethical scientific practice we will then see why these gain of function experiments were being funded in China.
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That needs some expanding on to know what your trying to reference.
 
www.theguardian.com

Leading biologist dampens his ‘smoking gun’ Covid lab leak theory

Nobel laureate David Baltimore says he overstated case, and the origins of the virus are still unknown
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

One of the leading voices for stating the virus had been "Gain of functioned" and leaked from a lab has backtracked on his claims. but this wont get the same level of coverage as his 1st "smoking gun" quotes.

A Nobel prize-winning US biologist, who has been widely quoted describing a “smoking gun” to support the thesis that Covid-19 was genetically modified and escaped from a Wuhan lab, has said he overstated the case.

David Baltimore, a distinguished biology professor, had become one of the most prominent figures cited by proponents of the so-called lab leak theory.



Originally quoted in an article in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in May, and widely requoted since, Baltimore had appeared to suggest that a specific feature in Covid-19’s genome, known as the furin cleavage site, was the “smoking gun” to the theory the virus had been contained inside a laboratory and then escaped via a leak.

“These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for Sars2,” he said at the time.

In recent days, however, Baltimore has told a fellow researcher, the scientific journal Nature and the LA Times that – while he had been quoted accurately in the bulletin – he should not have used the phrase “smoking gun” and was uncertain what the feature proved regarding the origins of the virus – natural or otherwise.
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splinter said:
Looking like the Pfizer vaccine rollout will slow for the next few weeks..not the best timing
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Hmm it’s actually extremely convenient timing…just in time to justify a delay to 21st and another U-turn. They must have used up all their variant quota a la winter lockdown!

FWIW I don’t have a massive problem with a short delay but it’s laughable how they manipulate people and wheel these things out that ‘aren’t their fault’ at such opportune moments.
 
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Mike Cledford said:
My son aged early 30s has tried several times to book a jab but all he can get is Timperley. He lives near Maine Road, at the back of the Kippax in fact and doesn't drive. So it is not an easy journey by public transport. Are others finding such difficulties in a big city like Manchester?
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Can he not go to one of the drop in centres. Yesterday there was Eccles, Cheetham Hill. I think the vaccination buses are touring around. My 2 (19 and 20) have theirs today through their GP surgery.
 
Cheesy said:
Need some help please....

My 27 year old stepson has said that he's not going to have the Pfizer, AZ or Moderns vaccines as they haven't been tested fully in regards to any effect they may have on fertility. I'm not sure where he's got this information from (or even if there is any truth in it) so I'd really appreciate it if anyone could point me in the direction of 'proper' scientific papers showing that there isn't an issue here.

I'm worried that he's just started to dip his toe into the anti-vax shit that's out there. If he does go down that particular rabbit hole then it's no exaggeration that it will be then end of father/son relationship after 23 years :-(
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They won’t test fully for fertility as there’s absolutely no need to, so it’ll be a struggle to find scientific papers specifically saying “there is no impact to fertility”, you’ll just find them saying there is no evidence of it. I think the Pfizer one does now say that based on animal tests, there is no impact though.

The company I work for is one of those administering the vaccine and that question is one that comes up a fair bit. The stock response is there’s no active agents in these vaccines that either vary from other vaccines used previously (so to all intensive purposes, we have years of data) or that could impact fertility.
 
Humans really only look out for themselves don't they. Talking themselves into why June 21 should be lifted to suit their own needs. 16 months of lockdowns and they cannot handle a few weeks whilst we get more jabs in arms. Such a selfish race aren't we?
 
meltonblue said:
They won’t test fully for fertility as there’s absolutely no need to
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Preclinical (animal) data is used for the assessment on female fertility, and more generally on organ toxicity including testicular.

For example, the Pfizer vaccine on female fertility:

"Lack of effects on female fertility and prenatal and postnatal offspring development in rats with BNT162b2, a mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine" (my bold)

Lack of effects on female fertility and prenatal and postnatal offspring development in rats with BNT162b2, a mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine - PMC

BNT162b2 is a vaccine developed to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). BNT162b2 is a lipid nanoparticle formulated nucleoside-modified messenger RNA (mRNA) encoding the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) spike ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Summary of the nonclinical data here.

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