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Brightwell’s left peg said:
17, 15 and 13.

I’ve read that those same ages can get second doses if they live with someone at risk, so it’s not a second dose safety issue. I just think the government decided that because the covid risk was small in kids, single dose would do the trick.
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It was stated as safety - higher risk of myocarditis with 2nd dose.

The risk of myocarditis with covid is far higher, of course...
 
roubaixtuesday said:
It was stated as safety - higher risk of myocarditis with 2nd dose.

The risk of myocarditis with covid is far higher, of course...
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I know you didn’t make the decision, but if it’s supposedly a safety issue, why are they allowing them then in certain circumstances that have nothing to do with the child’s health (i.e. if they live with an at risk person?).

I also doubt Canada would have mandated it in all kids over 12 if there were sensible safety concerns from a risk/benefit standpoint.

I’m not yet pissed off, as I’ll wait to see the response from the NHS, but if they deny it, I’ll be severely pissed off, especially as I know they will change the guidance in a few months and double jab all the kids too.
 
ell said:
If its not a safety issue I reckon the walk in center might be your best bet if it doesn't become "official" I got my second dose at 6 1/2 weeks instead of 8 no questions asked at the walk in (the etihad wouldnt though)

Fingers crossed for you, I absolutely love Canada but havent been for about 15 years now
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Cheers mate. Doubt walk in will jab kids without checking, but we might give it a go as a last resort.
 
Brightwell’s left peg said:
I know you didn’t make the decision, but if it’s supposedly a safety issue, why are they allowing them then in certain circumstances that have nothing to do with the child’s health (i.e. if they live with an at risk person?).

I also doubt Canada would have mandated it in all kids over 12 if there were sensible safety concerns from a risk/benefit standpoint.

I’m not yet pissed off, as I’ll wait to see the response from the NHS, but if they deny it, I’ll be severely pissed off, especially as I know they will change the guidance in a few months and double jab all the kids too.
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The whole approach to kids vaccination from JCVI has been nothing short of a scandal. It fails all tests of simple logic, let alone ethics and is way out of kilter with other developed countries.

It's been subject to considerable scientific criticism within the UK too, and has resulted in both an unnecessary massive wave of infection this autumn, deaths of children and those they've infected, *and* unnecessary and counterproductive vaccine hesitancy.

It's a total clusterfuck.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Latest round of REACT survey:
- highest ever prevalence (1.7%)
- clearly shows benefit of testing and isolation; the region most affected by the Immensa lab scandal false negatives shows a huge spike.
- prevalence has doubled in over 65s in last month, not just youngsters.



Stay safe blues: get those boosters, get tested and isolate if positive.

I was particularly interested as I was one of those tested this time. I was negative, even though my 16yo son was positive at the time.
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This could be seen as really good news as the country hasn't fallen apart despite this high prevelance. Obviously we need to be careful that it doesn't get worse but it certainly looks good if we hope to make this virus endemic.
 
wolfie1988 said:
This could be seen as really good news as the country hasn't fallen apart despite this high prevelance. Obviously we need to be careful that it doesn't get worse but it certainly looks good if we hope to make this virus endemic.
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I have no idea how infecting people to achieve immunity, with the disease, hospitalisation and death that has accompanied it is a better way to "make this virus endemic" than vaccinating people, but doubtless I'm missing something.

1000 people a week are dying right now, and a quarter of a million off school.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Some good news regarding Covid medicines...

BBC News - First pill to treat Covid gets approval in UK
www.bbc.co.uk

Molnupiravir: First pill to treat Covid gets approval in UK

The tablet - molnupiravir - will be given twice a day to patients recently diagnosed with the disease.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

It normally takes around 2 months to get to the front line.
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been keeping a eye on this because its been around and used for flu so maybe not all that it seems
but anything that can decrease the deaths and treat covid-19 then all the better
 
roubaixtuesday said:
I have no idea how infecting people to achieve immunity, with the disease, hospitalisation and death that has accompanied it is a better way to "make this virus endemic" than vaccinating people, but doubtless I'm missing something.

1000 people a week are dying right now, and a quarter of a million off school.
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But we do have to live too and keep an economy alive.....

I'm always interested by your posts because they do often appear on the negative side. I'm not playing down Covid in the slightest, it's been and continues to be horrific. But, we do have to find a way forward, for our kids and for everything else
 
Isn't this dfference just because we were fairly late in choosing to vaccinate schoolchildren and our numbers were usually cited as a percentage of those 18 and over? Or something like that?

Not to mention the smaller the country the easier it will be to get near 90% and fast.

We covered the most vulnerable in quick time but then slowed down when the issues over vaccine safety became a talking point. Democracies that allow choice will always find it harder to persuade than impose.
 
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Healdplace said:
Isn't this dfference just because we were fairly late in choosing to vaccinate schoolchildren and our numbers were usually cited as a percentage of those 18 and over? Or something like that?

Not to mention the smaller the country the easier it will be to get near 90% and fast.
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Sometimes stats are quoted as %(eligible population), and sometimes as %(total population), which is the difference in this case.

re the latter point, Spain wants to have a quiet word.
 
wolfie1988 said:
But we do have to live too and keep an economy alive.....

I'm always interested by your posts because they do often appear on the negative side. I'm not playing down Covid in the slightest, it's been and continues to be horrific. But, we do have to find a way forward, for our kids and for everything else
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By letting people just catch the virus instead of vaccination you risk the whole Gamut of side issues like long covid which have a big impact on the economy as it can take people out of work for months. However with the level of Vaccinations we have I cant see there being a huge amount of choice. we kinda hit a wall with people willing to have it.
 
Healdplace said:
Isn't this dfference just because we were fairly late in choosing to vaccinate schoolchildren and our numbers were usually cited as a percentage of those 18 and over? Or something like that?

Not to mention the smaller the country the easier it will be to get near 90% and fast.

We covered the most vulnerable in quick time but then slowed down when the issues over vaccine safety became a talking point. Democracies that allow choice will always find it harder to persuade than impose.
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Quite a few European countries have made vaccination passports mandatory to do certain things and this has forced take up to increase. The UK hasn’t done this of course.

I was reading that vaccine take up in Germany has stalled badly at a lower percentage than the UK & cases are increasing rapidly there. It will be interesting to see what they do with passports but regardless I don’t see a change in UK policy for the general population. I think take up in the UK of eligible groups has exceeded expectations.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I was reading that vaccine take up in Germany has stalled badly at a lower percentage than the UK
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Within a single % point according to ourworldindata.

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I read recently that the vaccine passport approach was driving this up, but it doesn't look like a very radical improvement.

Cases and deaths both currently about half ours per capita.
 
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