Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Never found you to be negative or positive, just informative - think it's a bit unfair how you've been cast on here tbh

Thank you! I try to do that, but we all have our own biases, conscious or unconscious.

It's fascinating to see how people spin emerging evidence according to their preferred outcome.

A lot of current comment is driven I think for a desire for certainty where there is none; fear of the unknown. It's understandable.
 
Each to his own but I’m an unpaid career for my 88 year old Dad, I can’t risk passing it on to him as he’s very vulnerable, I’ll be doing everything possible including as many jabs as required to keep him safe. I have real concerns about this variant, sounds like there’s a good chance of getting it, worrying me immensely.
Think he meant nationally rather than individually

jabbing 60m every 3 months…
 
Hospitals across the UK, particularly in London, are struggling to maintain staffing levels due to the number who are having to isolate with COVID-19, a senior emergency doctor said this morning

"The acute problem is actually to do with staffing," Katherine Henderson, an emergency consultant in London and President of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine, told BBC Radio.

"Even if we are not seeing a big rise in hospitalisations yet, we are already seeing the effect on not having the staff to run shifts properly and safely. So we are worried about patient harm coming about because we just don’t have the staff."

Dr Henderson said London was particularly hard hit.

"We are looking at probably about 10% staff, that is doctors and nurses, who are having to be off."
 
Hospitals across the UK, particularly in London, are struggling to maintain staffing levels due to the number who are having to isolate with COVID-19, a senior emergency doctor said this morning

"The acute problem is actually to do with staffing," Katherine Henderson, an emergency consultant in London and President of the Royal College of Emergency Medicine, told BBC Radio.

"Even if we are not seeing a big rise in hospitalisations yet, we are already seeing the effect on not having the staff to run shifts properly and safely. So we are worried about patient harm coming about because we just don’t have the staff."

Dr Henderson said London was particularly hard hit.

"We are looking at probably about 10% staff, that is doctors and nurses, who are having to be off."

I reckon this is going to be a bigger problem than the hospitalisations
 
Macrons arguably the biggest populist out of all the major world leaders.

He said the jab was quasi ineffective.

Solely to take the heat off their initial slow roll out.
Merkel said a similar thing didn't she, also to score political points. I was surprised and disappointed as in a world of inept self-serving politicians she always struck me as someone who was sensible, trustworthy and qualified to do her job.
 
When he started casting doubt on the AZ vaccines purely to score points he should’ve been sacked. How many lives did that cost, in a country that already has a massive problem with anti vaxxers - more so than any other country in Europe.

Vaccination was, and still is, being used as a political wedge on both sides of this.
I agree with you on Macron. Equally, Johnson was lying about the EMA in the commons yesterday too.

A plague on both their houses*

*Poetry yesterday, the bard today. Highbrow or what?
 
Think he meant nationally rather than individually

jabbing 60m every 3 months…
Hopefully the tablet form will be approved at some stage next year, that will take the heat out of the situation.

I shouldn’t be worried about my Dad as he says he’s lived too long (89 in 3 weeks) and the other day when going up the stairs he fell, I said to him “you need to be in a flat” his reply was “I need to be in a box”

We can’t live forever and I’m not paranoid about my Dad passing away but I just don’t want to be the person who passes Covid to him as apart from me, Mrs H and my sister he has little contact with anyone else, I just don’t want that on my conscience.
 
You are correct but I maintain It is folly to continue allowing free travel as inevitably it will increase infections.

It won't. It's already out there and by all accounts spreading like wildfire. Personally I'd rather sit in my house than put money into the French economy but that's another matter
 
Vaccination was, and still is, being used as a political wedge on both sides of this.
I agree with you on Macron. Equally, Johnson was lying about the EMA in the commons yesterday too.

A plague on both their houses*

*Poetry yesterday, the bard today. Highbrow or what?
One thing I want to be abundantly clear - I am certainly no apologist for Johnson and did not vote for the scruffy twat, nor did I vote for Brexit.

He's as bad and dishonest as they come!
 
Hopefully the tablet form will be approved at some stage next year, that will take the heat out of the situation.

I shouldn’t be worried about my Dad as he says he’s lived too long (89 in 3 weeks) and the other day when going up the stairs he fell, I said to him “you need to be in a flat” his reply was “I need to be in a box”

We can’t live forever and I’m not paranoid about my Dad passing away but I just don’t want to be the person who passes Covid to him as apart from me, Mrs H and my sister he has little contact with anyone else, I just don’t want that on my conscience.
That's a perfectly reasonable mindset to have mate.

Hope your dad's ok.
 
If the booster wanes after 2 months and or the Omnicon gets a more lethal varient what do we do?
Certainly we would all like to have an annual jab at our doctors along with flu and pneumonia but currently we are still at the reactive stage with Covid are we not?
I really doubt that symptom severity has changed too much across any of the variants.

Omicron is not a milder variant, the reason that it seems milder is because of our immunity. There is more to immunity than what the jabs bring (antibodies). Antibodies give short term protection but there is also longer term immunity from T-cells which aren't fully understood.

Short term immunity is there to provide immediate protection from an infection and vaccine success is only ever measured by whether an infection is prevented or not. Long term immunity however provides long term protection from severe disease and no-one knows for how long, perhaps forever.

The most likely scenario is we've now got a variant which is no different severity wise but it evades past generated antibodies and so we'll see more infections. However, long term immunity stops us from getting seriously ill and so we get the illusion that the variant is milder.

This is perhaps why every virologist will say that viruses tend to get less virulent and less severe, because our bodies learn to deal with COVID and COVID itself will never mutate to the degree required to evade that or it will become completely dysfunctional as a virus.
 
So are you advocating France should allow Brits into their country knowing how prevalent Omicron is here because they allow others in?
It's prevalent here (because we sequence more than almost everywhere) so we know about it. If it's as transmissible as reported it's already everywhere including France. There are no checks whatsoever on land entry into France from the EU, so I don't see what excluding UK tourists will do. They were subject to checks already.
 
Supposed to be going to France on the 27th to see the Mrs and her family. Flying into Geneva then driving into France. Any experts out there think this will be doable ? I’m triple jabbed
 
I really doubt that symptom severity has changed too much across any of the variants.

Omicron is not a milder variant, the reason that it seems milder is because of our immunity. There is more to immunity than what the jabs bring (antibodies). Antibodies give short term protection but there is also longer term immunity from T-cells which aren't fully understood.

Short term immunity is there to provide immediate protection from an infection and vaccine success is only ever measured by whether an infection is prevented or not. Long term immunity however provides long term protection from severe disease and no-one knows for how long, perhaps forever.

The most likely scenario is we've now got a variant which is no different severity wise but it evades past generated antibodies and so we'll see more infections. However, long term immunity stops us from getting seriously ill and so we get the illusion that the variant is milder.

This is perhaps why every virologist will say that viruses tend to get less virulent and less severe, because our bodies learn to deal with COVID and COVID itself will never mutate to the degree required to evade that or it will become completely dysfunctional as a virus.
There was a study that was reported yesterday which fits the clinical effects seen in South Africa, namely that omicron is now an infection of the bronchioles rather than lung tissue.
 
It's prevalent here (because we sequence more than almost everywhere) so we know about it. If it's as transmissible as reported it's already everywhere including France. There are no checks whatsoever on land entry into France from the EU, so I don't see what excluding UK tourists will do. They were subject to checks already.
I agree we have become a hot spot because of the amount of screening we have done and, as you say, it may be as prevelant elsewhere, but from their perspective, they are doing what they believe is the right thing seeing what is known about infection rates in UK compared to what they believe theirs is. I see no issue with that, and if it were the other way round, there would be outcry if we welcoming French visitors.
 
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