Coronavirus (2022) thread

[Healdplace]

75 all settings deaths - was 91 last Sunday

England only 58 - was 79 last Sunday

74,799 cases - down from 75,041 last Sunday

68,913 in England - down from 73,331 yesterday BUT up from 66,273 last Sunday



No Scotland cases added again today as they have changed how they report them and it only works Monday to Friday. So the weekend cases will be added in tomorrow. As also happens with Wales.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

75 all settings deaths - was 91 last Sunday

England only 58 - was 79 last Sunday

74,799 cases - down from 75,041 last Sunday

68,913 in England - down from 73,331 yesterday BUT up from 66,273 last Sunday



No Scotland cases added again today as they have changed how they report them and it only works Monday to Friday. So the weekend cases will be added in tomorrow. As also happens with Wales.

1430 odd admitted to Hospital in England. Dropping nicely. I think its fair to say the Tsunami of Omicron that was going to totally overwhelm the NHS unless plan B was tightened massively isnt going to materialise. Embarrasing for the so called modelling experts yet again.

 

[kaz7]

1430 odd admitted to Hospital in England. Dropping nicely. I think its fair to say the Tsunami of Omicron that was going to totally overwhelm the NHS unless plan B was tightened massively isnt going to materialise. Embarrasing for the so called modelling experts yet again.

Not embarrasing at all , they are payed to model all scenerios , they saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the last two years , more if boris had locked down earlier at the start and in sept instead of dec in the first year , modelling a novel virus is not easy but you know better somehow ?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

You're not alone,not by a long shot....yet the party line is to put up with it and tell everyone it's the right choice.
I'm nearly 50 years old,but am in great nick through looking after myself with diet and exercise,even the remotest chance i will contract heart/lung or energy issues,from an unproven jab will massively affect my lifestyle and happiness.
Likewise,if the remotest chance should occur....and i contract Covid,i am very content to let my body deal with it,like it has any other virus.

I have not altered my approach to anything since this pandemic kicked off,i havent stopped doing anything i did prior,i mix with the public on transport services everyday,and i go wherever i wish on my days off.
Out of all my fiends and colleagues who have mostly had the vaccine,guess which one of us has never been ill or even tested positive? Obviously i'm hoping it stays that way :-)

Just good luck i suppose....

I do agree that there would undoubtedly be far fewer deaths if we were a fitter and less obese nation, and we seriously need a health revolution in this country. The state people allow themselves to get into is a disgrace. The BHF estimate there are over 20 million sedentary adults in Britain, which is simply fucking unacceptable!

But how can you say the vaccine is unproven? It’s been here for 13 months now and in that time it’s literally proven to give you around 68x more protection if you do catch it and you’re 18x less likely to pass it on.

And there’s a mere 0.001% chance of getting a severe adverse reaction to receiving the vaccine.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

1430 odd admitted to Hospital in England. Dropping nicely. I think its fair to say the Tsunami of Omicron that was going to totally overwhelm the NHS unless plan B was tightened massively isnt going to materialise. Embarrasing for the so called modelling experts yet again.

Or they will be happy that the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed. That’s probably got to do as much as the mild weather as anything to do with Omicron or Covid.

 

[Ric]

If you are more of a couch potato,or in poor health,like much of this forum.....then i agree,the vaccine is the way forward,and should be encouraged.

That’s a pretty obnoxious thing to post, and a ludicrous generalisation. How do you know what the health status of most forum members is?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

1430 odd admitted to Hospital in England. Dropping nicely. I think its fair to say the Tsunami of Omicron that was going to totally overwhelm the NHS unless plan B was tightened massively isnt going to materialise. Embarrasing for the so called modelling experts yet again.

Are people still saying this stuff? SAGE model a number of different scenarios, but our press only report the worst case that SAGE have produced and run stories saying that SAGE are predicting a “tsunami” of deaths. Everyone seemingly falls for what the press report and don’t even consider that SAGE have done half a dozen different models.

Also, the models are forecasts that can only use previous data. They aren’t predicting what will happen, they’re forecasting what previous data says might happen.

Don’t you think the way we’ve barely seen any restrictions this Winter has shown that they’ve provided the Govt with less severe models than the worst ones the press tell us SAGE are predicting?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Not embarrasing at all , they are payed to model all scenerios , they saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the last two years , more if boris had locked down earlier at the start and in sept instead of dec in the first year , modelling a novel virus is not easy but you know better somehow ?

Good evening Kaz,

Kaz their best case scenario for Omicron under the continuation of plan B was for between 3000 and 10000 hospital admissions per day in England. Their other scenarios were worse with much higher numbers. We got to just over 2000 for a few days. Now you can try and spin it what ever way you can, but there is no way on gods earth that you can in any way shape or form say that their scenarios were anything other than a long long way out. I happen to think that is embassasing especially considering they were told by the SA scientists that Omicron wasnt as severe. Alot of people and the media remember these cock ups, you choose to ignore or excuse them which is your right, but in doing so it doesnt make the numbers any more accurate. The Autumn predictions were well wide of the mark aswel. Their credibility has taken a bit of a knock to be frank.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Are people still saying this stuff? SAGE model a number of different scenarios, but our press only report the worst case that SAGE have produced and run stories saying that SAGE are predicting a “tsunami” of deaths. Everyone seemingly falls for what the press report and don’t even consider that SAGE have done half a dozen different models.

Also, the models are forecasts that can only use previous data. They aren’t predicting what will happen, they’re forecasting what previous data says might happen.

Don’t you think the way we’ve barely seen any restrictions this Winter has shown that they’ve provided the Govt with less severe models than the worst ones the press tell us SAGE are predicting?

Not press i read the report. I gave you their best case a week or so back. 3000 to 10000 admissions a day.

 

[kaz7]

Good evening Kaz,

Kaz their best case scenario for Omicron under the continuation of plan B was for between 3000 and 10000 hospital admissions per day in England. Their other scenarios were worse with much higher numbers. We got to just over 2000 for a few days. Now you can try and spin it what ever way you can, but there is no way on gods earth that you can in any way shape or form say that their scenarios were anything other than a long long way out. I happen to think that is embassasing especially considering they were told by the SA scientists that Omicron wasnt as severe. Alot of people and the media remember these cock ups, you choose to ignore or excuse them which is your right, but in doing so it doesnt make the numbers any more accurate. The Autumn predictions were well wide of the mark aswel. Their credibility has taken a bit of a knock to be frank.

I would much rather they are cautious , scientist are by nature , you have to listen to the likes of south africa but science is replicating results in different trials and conditions , you cant just take one opinion in a different country and assume it will be the same in other countries with loads of differences , that is science