Coronavirus (2022) thread

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ctwrd said:
The person said that uk government had overreacted to omicron ignoring some vocal SA officials.
Slightly more specific than “the government is shite”.

I am more optimistic and not greatly in favour of restrictions but even I can see the reasoning behind wanting to be cautious and not take the wrong cause of action. Some believe there should have been more interventions and in truth the government is currently seen to be trying to allow life to continue. I mean we have full football stadiums.

what has happened is a sort of voluntary lockdown lite in respect of hospitality seemingly caused both by government messaging (rather than restrictions backed by financial support) and by individuals assessing their own risk.
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I too am optimistic going forward (I was optimistic once they announced they had discovered a successful vaccine), but, as you say, people are still going to do their own risk assessment irrespective of what the Govt does as we saw over Xmas.

I also think this will be the new norm for the foreseeable future. Society adapting to live with the virus by people changing their patterns of behaviour and interactions. We are more conscious and aware of health risks, things like mask wearing, an alien concept in the UK, whereas now we are more accustomed to it. Covid booster shots will be as commonplace as the flu jab. CovidSip will be the new Lemsip.

The pressure on the unvaccinated will also grow, largely through restrictions on people’s ability to go places and do things if they are not vaccinated - like play in a tennis tournament. I also think vaccine passports will become the norm in most countries and that will put pressure on countries who don’t have them.
 
True_Blue69 said:
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/he...cal-condition-comparable-before-pandemic/amp/

Not necessarily good news as it shows how close to the edge the NHS seemingly is every winter, but hospitals with critical incidents is the same as a ‘normal’ year pre-pandemic.
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There was talk of bringing restrictions into the general public in 2017-18 but it never happened. Hospitals did shut down some wards that are used for other things to treat the flu epidemic of that Winter, and a lot of appointments and operations were cancelled so that staff could keep up with the amount of hospitalisations from that season’s flu.

Some hospital staff who were working on those wards were told to isolate away from family that Winter. It was noticeable how many East Asians (whether local or visiting) were wearing masks that Winter n’all.

People are also told to isolate and sometimes whole individual schools are closed down when there are outbreaks of Norovirus.

So it’s not like we’ve never had to go through restrictions before, just not to this extent.

At the moment we don’t really have that many restrictions in place, but if certain hospitals get any closer to overload then I think some further local restrictions should come into play, or that people are treated away from their local areas to also site some pressure on individual hospitals, maybe? Don’t know if that’s the way the NHS would work.

There needs to be further long term investment into the NHS though, to alleviate these Winter overloads. The good thing is, NHS staff numbers have increased throughout this pandemic. With a 2.5% rise (80,000+) in staff numbers compared to the start of the pandemic. Shows the good nature of people, I suppose; people want to help people who are ill and want to help the public more generally.
 
Dr Dix said we are dealing with a "much, much milder variant" now so it is "pointless giving more and more vaccine to people who are not going to get very ill".

Instead, we should take a "much more targeted approach" and give protection to the most vulnerable while allowing society to return to a "new normal".

"People should just go to work, go about their business, if they get ill go home and stay at home," he said.
 
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True_Blue69 said:
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/he...cal-condition-comparable-before-pandemic/amp/

Not necessarily good news as it shows how close to the edge the NHS seemingly is every winter, but hospitals with critical incidents is the same as a ‘normal’ year pre-pandemic.
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One thing that has come out of all this is that masks seem to do really well against flu. The Asian population that wear them regularly seem to have been into something for sure.

flu r0 is 1-2 so very small things make a big impact.
I get a feeling lots of people will start to use them from now on as standard.
 
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didsburyblu said:
Reports in tonight's papers that the government are looking to scrap free lateral flow tests for the majority and have them only available in high risk settings.
So much for being able to protect your elderly loved ones. Faced now with a choice of either abandon them or risk giving them the virus when you visit as you aren't able to know your covid free.
Didn't take the government long to abandon its test test test policy to keep us safe
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Been debunked by the education sec this morning
 
hgblue said:
Anyone noticing a change of tone in the media? Mature discussion about issues such as cutting the isolation period to 5 days, ending the policy of mass jabs and instead targeting at the vulnerable as per the flu jab, ending the practice of mass testing and targeting at the health and social care sectors, a calling out of the dodgy modelling that's been used to justify restrictions being imposed, criticism of masks in schools based on flimsy evidence, I could go on. I suspect this is being driven by them sensing a change in the public mood, but I'm optimistic we may be close to the end of the pandemic stage of covid response and moving to the endemic stage thanks to Omicron.
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The media are basically ordinary people reflecting the discussions and views they hear. You can tell that the mood of the people is already ahead of the media and the government, and while the politicians would like to posture and give the impression that they’re in control, the man on the Clapham omnibus has already rung the bell to get off.
 
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grunge said:
www.cnbc.com

Cyprus reportedly discovers a Covid variant that combines omicron and delta

The strain is being called "deltacron."
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

the 1st omicron + delta hybrid has been discovered in cypress. 25 cases so far. While there is so much delta and omicron out there this is an inevitable occurrence. Just need to track it carefully and see if it has any advantages over omicron.

odds are it will get squished by omicron tho.
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Even if it's as infectious as Omicron you're likely to get a heap of immunity to it from having Omicron and let's face it most of the country will have had Omicron by February.
 
UK NUMBERS TODAY

97 all settings deaths

84 in England was 59 last week - these are still rising it seems

141,472 cases - down from 146,390 yesterday & 151,663 last week

England only 121,228 - down from 130,330 yesterday & 123,547 last week

Wales down week to week 14,036 to 8923

Scotland down week to week 14,080 to 7561

There were 3760 cases in Northern Ireland who did not post any data last Sunday

So every part of the UK that posted data last week and this is down.

Everything else will be on the data thread.
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Even if it's as infectious as Omicron you're likely to get a heap of immunity to it from having Omicron and let's face it most of the country will have had Omicron by February.
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agreed. Odds are omicron will squash any new variant quickly anyways. As a country we would probably be fine even if it doesn’t as you say.

If it’s worst case. As transmissible as omicron and deadly as delta then other countries that havent been hit by omicron could be in for a rough ride. But zero info if there any difference to omicron at this point.
 
grunge said:
www.cnbc.com

Cyprus reportedly discovers a Covid variant that combines omicron and delta

The strain is being called "deltacron."
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

the 1st omicron + delta hybrid has been discovered in cypress. 25 cases so far. While there is so much delta and omicron out there this is an inevitable occurrence. Just need to track it carefully and see if it has any advantages over omicron.

odds are it will get squished by omicron tho.
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False alarm apparently and almost certainly just cross contamination of samples in a lab rather than a new strain.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Dr Dix said we are dealing with a "much, much milder variant" now so it is "pointless giving more and more vaccine to people who are not going to get very ill".

Instead, we should take a "much more targeted approach" and give protection to the most vulnerable while allowing society to return to a "new normal".

"People should just go to work, go about their business, if they get ill go home and stay at home," he said.
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Can you post the full link. I’ve no idea who Dr Dix is although I agree with them.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Very sad story today, a family friend.

Their daughter, mid 20s and refused to vaccinate during pregnancy due to the scaremongering.

Caught Covid and had to be put in a coma five weeks ago, they delivered the baby safely.

They brought her out of a coma but she never came back around.

Never even got to see or hold her baby.

Incredibly sad.
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That's just shockingly horrible.

Me and my partner had a baby boy 10 weeks ago, and the choice to have Mum vaccinated or not wasn't easy with two sleepless nights deciding whether to or not. In the end we did and baby blue (and Mum) are doing well.

That poor family.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Dr Dix said we are dealing with a "much, much milder variant" now so it is "pointless giving more and more vaccine to people who are not going to get very ill".

Instead, we should take a "much more targeted approach" and give protection to the most vulnerable while allowing society to return to a "new normal".

"People should just go to work, go about their business, if they get ill go home and stay at home," he said.
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yet had hate and vitriol for weeks for saying the exact same thing, just ahead of the curve I guess...
 
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