Coronavirus: Football Discussion Thread

[Keeper!]

And I agree with him, If you are having to undergo tests then there is a threat and until that threat is vanquished then it's a no from me to games being played. I suppose you could say it's like putting your hand into a box that contains a rattlesnake and thinking I have a 50 50 chance of getting bitten. Is it worth the risk?

More importantly if non essential footballers and support staff can get regular testing, yet front line medical personal can't, there is something seriously wrong with the priorities of this country.

 

[Marvin]

On the other hand some medical opinions are that footballers are at greater risk...
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...rneiro-coronavirus-top-footballers-vulnerable

What she says is that athletes are prone to overtraining and in that physical condition their immunoglubulin levels fall and they become prone to infection. This is relevant but it not's a comparator of fan and footballer risk; it's a warning flag for well managed clubs to monitor the immunoglubulin levels of their players, and any other overtraining indicator.

 

[BluechesterCity]

There is a vocal proportion of people on here that somehow welcome a perceived 'reset' of top level football due to the Covid-19 epidemic. They are disgusted with what football has become and many are saying they won't be coming back even when fans are allowed back in stadiums.

I'm interested in knowing how prevalent this view is as I don't share it and I don't anyone that does either. Having been a match going supporter for almost 60 years I have seen huge changes in football but mostly I would say for the better. Modern stadia, the elimination of mass hooliganism and the welcoming of family groups for starters. I couldn't give a rats arse what players earn for example but that seems to be a source of angst for some. Football isn't responsible for creating Covid-19 & it has no more responsibility for defeating it than any other business.

I can't wait to be back in my seat watching live football.

Yes, there are a lot of hysterical reactions to the current situation, especially regarding football. I, for one, am really looking forward to football making a comeback. But I would really dislike seeing football under the same circumstances of the German experiment, which was so deeply flawed that it was farcical. The thought hasn't even entered my mind to give up on football!

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

There is a vocal proportion of people on here that somehow welcome a perceived 'reset' of top level football due to the Covid-19 epidemic. They are disgusted with what football has become and many are saying they won't be coming back even when fans are allowed back in stadiums.

I'm interested in knowing how prevalent this view is as I don't share it and I don't anyone that does either. Having been a match going supporter for almost 60 years I have seen huge changes in football but mostly I would say for the better. Modern stadia, the elimination of mass hooliganism and the welcoming of family groups for starters. I couldn't give a rats arse what players earn for example but that seems to be a source of angst for some. Football isn't responsible for creating Covid-19 & it has no more responsibility for defeating it than any other business.

I can't wait to be back in my seat watching live football.

Whilst I dont support it coming back I am missing it. I just love football cant be arsed with the hullabaloo surrounding it and you're right footy has improved no end over the years.

I dont want to see it come before national health though and I am biased to a degree - I hate Sky/PL and their scummy reporters trying to force this, it makes it even more disgusting seeing their tactics and fake headlines and misinformation..
Preferably I want them to just give LFC the *title, stop this madness, and prepare for the next season.

 

[blue corby]

More importantly if non essential footballers and support staff can get regular testing, yet front line medical personal can't, there is something seriously wrong with the priorities of this country.

And yet my daughter is a primary school teacher , been in every week since this started and hasn’t been able to get tested . Shows the priorities of this country.

 

[Boris Becker’s Backhand]

What’s your point? School staff, unions and the British Medical Association aren’t saying that they don’t want to reopen because it’ll spread the visus, they simply want scientific assurances from the govt that say it’s safe. If they can produce those assurances they all want schools to reopen.

So far the govt have produced no evidence though. And the fact the BMA is on the school staff and unions side should tell you a lot!

And you’re just showing me one newspaper article. There are many saying various things across a spectrum. Some say not enough time has gone to know how the spread in schools will go. Others say that the studies of schools have been done in countries with barely any covid compared to Great Britain.

Here’s something that’s showing that children are getting it and dying:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200511142153.htm

And a lot of deaths in young people are from post-Covid complications that aren’t being attributed to Covid in the Covid figures. Kawasaki Disease, Paediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome, Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome and aneurisms are what are being attributed to the deaths... but they’re getting those after having had Covid.

There are no assurances for anyone until a vaccine arrives. Evidence shows there is a low risk of spreading it in schools. Long term evidence shows that kids from poor backgrounds suffer disproportionately from not being at school - their learning, their nutrition, their physical wellbeing can all be badly affected.

The deaths you refer to in your last paragraph (which I take with a pinch of salt - if they aren’t being attributed to it, I trust the results of the autopsy rather than your skewed interpretation) are a minuscule percentage of an already tiny percentage of children who get seriously ill from the virus.

 

[thelongbowman]

Another huge concern for me, if we accept that this season is pointless whether it is finished or not , is the implications for next season. By starting again and playing all the way through to next seasons start date would destroy next season as well.

void void void.

save next season.

 

[BluechesterCity]

There are no assurances for anyone until a vaccine arrives. Evidence shows there is a low risk of spreading it in schools. Long term evidence shows that kids from poor backgrounds suffer disproportionately from not being at school - their learning, their nutrition, their physical wellbeing can all be badly affected.

The deaths you refer to in your last paragraph (which I take with a pinch of salt - if they aren’t being attributed to it, I trust the results of the autopsy rather than your skewed interpretation) are a minuscule percentage of an already tiny percentage of children who get seriously ill from the virus.

I wonder what the mortality and morbidity rate of the so-called vaccine will be. They should have a TV special where all the top dogs promoting the vaccine can go on with their families and get the shot, maybe mix it up with something like Britain's Got Talent.

 

[Boris Becker’s Backhand]

Have you got children or grandchildren of school age. I`d prefer not to gamble the lives of my grandchildren in the hope that the opening of school is ok.

I`ve got 3, I`d prefer them not to be used as guinea pigs by a government with a financial vested interest in a re-start. I can`t trust the to make the decision for health reasons.

More cases of rare syndrome in children reported globally


Nearly 100 cases of the unusual illness linked to Covid-19 have emerged in at least six countries

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Some doctors suspect the syndrome is a “post-infection inflammatory response” where the immune system overreacts in the wake of an infection. Photograph: APAImages/REX/Shutterstock
Doctors around the world have reported more cases of a rare but potentially lethal inflammatory syndrome in children that appears to be linked to coronavirus infections.

Nearly 100 cases of the unusual illness have emerged in at least six countries, with doctors in Britain, the US, France, Italy, Spain and Switzerland now reported to be investigating the condition.

The first cases came to light this week when the NHS issued an alert to paediatricians about a number of children admitted to intensive care units with a mix of toxic shock and a condition known as Kawasaki disease, an inflammatory disorder that affects the blood vessel, heart and other organs. So far 19 children have been affected in the UK and none have died.

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The French health minister, Olivier Veran, said on Wednesday that the country had more than a dozen children with inflammation around the heart, and while there was insufficient evidence to prove a link with coronavirus, he said the cases were being taken “very seriously.”

Veran told Franceinfo news radio he had received an alert from Paris concerning “about 15 children of all ages”, adding that other cases had been reported in Spain, Italy and Switzerland. He listed the symptoms as fever, digestive problems and vascular inflammation.

At least three children in the US aged six months to eight years are being treated for a similar condition. Mark Gorelik, a specialist treating the patients at Columbia University Medical Center in New York, said all had fever and inflammation of the heart and gut. “Right now, we’re at the very beginning of trying to understand what that represents,” he told Reuters. Gorelik believes the cases are not Kawasaki disease but a similar condition that shares a common cause, namely an infectious agent that triggers an immune response.

The three New York cases follow a report from Stanford University in California, in which a 6-month-old was admitted to hospital with Kawasaki disease and was later diagnosed with coronavirus.

Many of the children having treatment for the new syndrome have tested positive for coronavirus, but others have not. That could mean that the syndrome is not related to coronavirus, that the children had cleared the virus before they were tested, or that the test missed the infection.

Some doctors suspect the syndrome is a “post-infection inflammatory response” where the immune system overreacts in the wake of an infection. This would suggest that in some children the disease has two phases – the initial infection and a secondary immune response that takes hold later.

Dr Nazima Pathan, a consultant in paediatric intensive care in Cambridge, said the number of children admitted to intensive care units with Covid-19 was relatively low, but that some were presenting with what looked like toxic shock syndrome and Kawasaki disease. “These children have had a severe and prolonged inflammatory response to Covid-19 infection and they have not had severe lung disease, unlike the majority of cases in adults,” she said.

“Whilst this is an evolving situation, it is clear that these symptoms are reported in only handfuls of cases,” Pathan added. “The important message is that if parents are worried about their children’s health, they should seek medical advice.”

The new syndrome, which has yet to be named, dominated discussion between leading doctors on a teleconference about Covid-19 in children hosted on Tuesday by the World Health Organization.

The first known cases in Britain emerged three to four weeks ago, but doctors now plan to look over the medical records of children in intensive care earlier this year to check whether earlier cases were missed.

You’re giving examples of a tiny fraction of cases from which the science involved is largely hypothetical. “some doctors suspect ....” doesn’t cut it.

We all have a vested interest in finance, countless disadvantaged kids will be the first to suffer when the economy implodes if the “wait til it’s 100% safe” union brigade get their way.

Look at the bigger picture rather than looking through the tiny prism of isolated cases

 

[asahartford1]

I wonder what the mortality and morbidity rate of the so-called vaccine will be. They should have a TV special where all the top dogs promoting the vaccine can go on with their families and get the shot, maybe mix it up with something like Britain's Got Talent.

Britains got vaccine or vaccine island, perhaps even i've taken a vaccine get me out of here. I think you may have a future in television , programme development)