Corruption in English football?

[Ric]

Yeah agree. There are degrees. But that accepts that the game is bent. It is. It has always been. We could close the thread at that point tbh. But still some say no not here, etc

I guess that’s only akin to those on the other side of the argument who are utterly convinced that everything is fixed in favour of United & Liverpool, and against City.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I guess that’s only akin to those on the other side of the argument who are utterly convinced that everything is fixed in favour of United & Liverpool, and against City.

There are definitely key figures in the English game creating favourable conditions for certain clubs. They are the key to millions/billions of pounds of revenue. I’m not talking about a grand organised conspiracy involving hundreds of people. It doesn’t need to be that to create favourable conditions. It is drip drip, nudge nudge. You have a referee on record saying the same remember

 

[Ric]

There are definitely key figures in the English game creating favourable conditions for certain clubs. They are the key to millions/billions of pounds of revenue. I’m not talking about a grand organised conspiracy involving hundreds of people. It doesn’t need to be that to create favourable conditions. It is drip drip, nudge nudge. You have a referee on record saying the same remember

No doubt those clubs get preferential media treatment, and some favourable refereeing decisions too. Like you say though, it’s all a bit “nudge nudge”. There’s no real smoking gun.

 

[LongsightM13]

There are definitely key figures in the English game creating favourable conditions for certain clubs. They are the key to millions/billions of pounds of revenue. I’m not talking about a grand organised conspiracy involving hundreds of people. It doesn’t need to be that to create favourable conditions. It is drip drip, nudge nudge. You have a referee on record saying the same remember

The Calciopolli scandal in Italy only involved a few people. But if they are the right people then they can have significant influence.
The vast amounts of money involved in modern football mean corruption will be inevitable.
It has been rife in cricket, cycling, boxing, snooker etc for years and they generate only a fraction of what football does

 

[Maly]

Let’s see. I really don’t think theEnglish game is corrupt. If there is evidence to prove otherwise, absolutely, let’s see it. Until then, as you say it’s all, to quite your own words, “suggested” and the last time I checked, suggestions rarely get the CPS off their legal seats. There was lots of talk post our 2012?league win of some irrefutable dossier that refs were told to work against us. Where is it? It isn’t available because it never existed. Like all teams we get some good and some bad decisions. Spurs champs league was z killer but not entirely without merit had it gone the other way. I’ve yet to walk away from the Etihad or an away ground thinking something plain wrong just went on. And I’ve yet to hear Mancini, Kiddo, Pelligrini or Pep say differently. That’s 4 managers in just over a decade. Not. A. Murmur. Why? Cos it ain’t there. You think there’s corruption in the game, there may well be in other countries and there’s plenty of previous in that regard, just ask Mancini. His scudetti wins will always be shadowed by what happened to Juve. But, based on my own eyes and the current total absence of anything from the UK authorities, it’s not an English problem.

So why no response to the evidence of factual cases that have already been posted?

You keep on asking for evidence, which I’ve provided plenty of, so you’ve already seen it, yet ignore any posts with factual evidence.

To reiterate for the final time as you clearly won’t respond to any facts presented hence me calling you out for trolling in this thread

1 - Big Sam - proven
2 - Mark Halsey told to lie, refuted surprisingly by Pgmol, but why would he lie?
3 - Greg Dyke & the watch....even FIFA’s ethics committee said he had to give it back.....yes FIFA’s ethics committee & we all know about FIFA’s ethics
4 - Tommy Weight, Giuseppe "Pino" Pagliara & Dax Wright all convicted of bribery 12 months ago
5 - Floodlight scandal where someone was convicted of a betting scam as lights failed in 3 games in 1997
6 - Sheff Wednesday players 1964 convicted
7 - Early 1900’s Liverpool vs United match fixing. Investigate by someone who worked at United I believe, so no charges brought lol
8 - Early 1900’s Arsenal promotion/relegation scandal
9 - Early 1900’s City overpaying players scandal
10 - Venables bungs
11 - Clough bungs
12 - Harry Redknapp’s dog
13 - Platini - convicted
14 - Blatter - convicted
15 - The other FIFA officials - convicted
16 - Juventus, Milan et al in Italy
17 - Marseille - convicted bribery
18 - G14 & FFP which included English clubs
19 - UEFA leaks
20 - Liverpool hacking - no responsibility accepted, but proof seen by all & damages paid
21 - Hateful 8 letter
22 - Real Madrid trading ground sale then lease back (state funding)
23 - Bruce Grobbelaar on tape admitting to match fixing
24 - Claus Lundekvam from Soton who said in 2012 that he, his teammates and opposing captains had constantly manipulated certain aspects of matches - why would he lie?
25 - 4 year investigation where police have found evidence suggesting that various criminal offences have been committed, including conspiracy to defraud, conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, perjury and breaches of data protection laws - not proven but evidence found

I’d suggest 15 of the above points are 109% proven, all been posted before, so what parts of this evidence don’t you believe? It’s all there In Black & white for you pal.

I get you don’t want to believe the game you love is corrupt, but it is, as proven over the past 100+ years, unless you have a different definition of corruption than the rest of the English speaking world?

 

[Hayley Croppers chopper]

The problem with this thread, and all the similar ones that have gone before, is that everything seemingly has to be black and white - football is either corrupt, or it isn’t. The reality, as always, probably lies somewhere in between. There most likely is some corruption in the various levels of football, but that doesn’t mean the entire game is inherently corrupt.

I don’t think anyone implied it was corrupt from top to bottom but I reckon it’s bent. Far too much money swilling in the game for it not to be at some level.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

No doubt those clubs get preferential media treatment, and some favourable refereeing decisions too. Like you say though, it’s all a bit “nudge nudge”. There’s no real smoking gun.

You’ve referenced two there. No, nothing definitive. It might help if governing bodies actually investigated things. But they don’t. And why don’t they? It’s not in their interests. Eventually a party with teeth investigates and people end up in prison (see FIFA and UEFA). It’s just a matter of time

 

[Maly]

No doubt those clubs get preferential media treatment, and some favourable refereeing decisions too. Like you say though, it’s all a bit “nudge nudge”. There’s no real smoking gun.

Nudge nudge & doing mates favours is corruption Ric

 

[Mancity1980]

The problem with this thread, and all the similar ones that have gone before, is that everything seemingly has to be black and white - football is either corrupt, or it isn’t. The reality, as always, probably lies somewhere in between. There most likely is some corruption in the various levels of football, but that doesn’t mean the entire game is inherently corrupt.

It just wouldn’t be financially sustainable if it was corrupt to the core but there must be elements of corruption between groups and individuals with mutual beneficial motives. Every now and again a story gets out (Brian Clough and his bungs, Grobbelaar and his match fixings), even then the full story never emerges and connected person slip into the shadows.

The influence on the officials is an interesting one because it can range from clever psychological moves to outright bribes but the results can be massive when they relate to key decisions. A ref knows straight away when he is about to make a decision that will determine a match, a trophy, the course of history.

 

[Maly]

Without proof and just pointing to the odd bad ref decision isn’t going to cut it.
Its just a echo chamber of people shouting corruption!’ Every time a decision goes against there team.

It’s always been this way and probably always will be , refs will be shit some days and cock up and fans will think the refs bent. All clubs think officials are against them during the match if there teams not winning.

Its nauseating to see grown men go mad and lose all sense of rational when a decision goes against there team.

So you think corruption is bent officiating? You’re miles off mate