COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[kaz7]

Keeping them open runs them out of business. Open but next to no custom. I know people in small businesses who do have business interference insurance or whoever it is worded. It really feels like it’s being done so they have to stay open and can’t claim for it, otherwise why else is this the approach. If it is dangerous for people to go these places, close them. Even worse the majority attending pubs are probably the older most vulnerable people!

A lot of them have changed to take away food which helps them and people still need to go out and get food and drink,what should stop is people being allowed to gather there i agree

 

[twosips]

Remember the imperial report is just based on a model and stuff being input to the model will change it significantly.

Increased numbers of ventilators, increased numbers of doctors from bringing in retired and medical students, finding an effective drug treatment.- inputting any of that into the model would change it completely.

I get that and agree. I cant help but feel though that surely the only possible conclusion as to why we're not in a proper lock down yet is because they want some people to get infected. The idea that some people can then return back to civilised society etc. Herd immunity and all that. I understand that but they are basically just putting some people forward as sacrificial lambs, for the 'greater good'. It certainly feels that way and it's hard not to resent that.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Remote press conferences suggests to me that he's preparing for a full scale lockdown.

I think he's pointing out that the daily press conference as currently constituted breaks every piece of advice on social distancing that the government has been recommending.
He's right.

 

[kaz7]

I get that and agree. I cant help but feel though that surely the only possible conclusion as to why we're not in a proper lock down yet is because they want some people to get infected. The idea that some people can then return back to civilised society etc. Herd immunity and all that. I understand that but they are basically just putting some people forward as sacrificial lambs, for the 'greater good'. It certainly feels that way and it's hard not to resent that.

Yes their herd immunity plan in the beginning and not closing down football and other mass gatherings was wrong imo,it did sacrifice the old and vulnerable,thank god that the likes of football shut itself down
I had never heard anything so stupid as the expert saying you are really low risk at the game but ignored how people got there and everything else like being packed in the pub

 

[Indaparkside]

Them gyms you can see through the glass still seem full. Selfish fuckers

 

[domalino]

I get that and agree. I cant help but feel though that surely the only possible conclusion as to why we're not in a proper lock down yet is because they want some people to get infected. The idea that some people can then return back to civilised society etc. Herd immunity and all that. I understand that but they are basically just putting some people forward as sacrificial lambs, for the 'greater good'. It certainly feels that way and it's hard not to resent that.

Ultimately they are just trying to avoid as many deaths as possible and I know that's not much comfort to those who lose people but it's what all their decisions are based on.

 

[SilverFox2]

Idiot or not, it takes a bigger fucking idiot not to follow the advice. It can’t be any fucking clearer to me - stay out of pubs and restaurants. Granted, they should be just closing them outright now because not everyone is listening or heeding the advice, but we can’t put all the blame on the government if people are ignoring what they’re asking us to do.

Have to agree, however unless the plan is to quickly lockdown because of non compliance by the public then his almost apologetic appeal to stay away from pubs etc. was pathetic.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I think he's pointing out that the daily press conference as currently constituted breaks every piece of advice on social distancing that the government has been recommending.
He's right.

He at least identified the reason why journalists don't want to change the current format.
I.e. Awkward questions being ignored and the press pack knowing if this is the case.

 

[George Hannah]

We're again treated to Mark Easton's funereal tones on the main evening BBC News virus bulletin. Poking an extended telescopic microphone into the faces of his interviewees on the London streets to keep them at bay. His piece concludes over pictures of a temporary mortuary under construction - going all out for the BAFTAs is Mark.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Ultimately they are just trying to avoid as many deaths as possible and I know that's not much comfort to those who lose people but it's what all their decisions are based on.

That is patently not true.

How will allowing people to socialise in pubs, in London - the most infected area of the country - "avoid as many deaths as possible". It is the very opposite of that.

We could debate WHY they are not making it illegal for people to be out without "good reason", but we cannot debate whether it is a bad idea if your main objective was simply to save lives.