COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[marco]

who was the poster on here saying their could be more than 50k deaths when this was over and got slated for it,,his post is not looking so stupid now, the professionals that gave him grief are 'sadley'

 

[abu13]

Italy latest hosp figures 415

Total 26,000

I think we will end up with worse figures than Italy which is shameful given the head start we had on them.

 

[kaz7]

Am i right in saying that it can incubate for upto 2 weeks and take upto a further 5 weeks to die from it? a potential 7 weeks. So this amount of deaths after a 5 week lockdown isn't so surprising. I might be wrong though but sure i heard/read that.

2-14 days before symptoms another 7 -10 days about before you end up in intensive care then another 2 -3 weeks before you die,approx it will vary

But remember,most people never end up in hosp,most have mild or no symptoms,it is easy to get caught up in these deaths figures but stick to the rules and it will slow the spread which will help everyone

 

[kaz7]

I’m good thanks. My heads gone a bit, but I’ve got my family helping me out at the minute, which is helping.

It’s hard not to be depressed by all the news, but coming on here and trying to keep busy is probably the best cure for that. How are you doing?

I am fine lovely,keep your chin up

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

who was the poster on here saying their could be more than 50k deaths when this was over and got slated for it,,his post is not looking so stupid now, the professionals that gave him grief are 'sadley'

He got slated because he said we would have 50k dead by April 15 I think, which was scaremongering at the time.

 

[kaz7]

Hmm, deaths in hospital trend down; well, maybe, ish...

I think that is because london has gone a lot adding that with the others areas i guess it is a downward trend,i listen to what he says rather than look at the graphs other than a quick look

 

[marco]

He got slated because he said we would have 50k dead by April 15 I think, which was scaremongering at the time.

maybe mate but i dont remember that,dont think he's been here since lol,funny how some posts stick in the back of your mind

 

[kaz7]

Injecting the plasma from survivors into new patients is working in preventing the transition to requiing ventilator care, in fact I don't know why it is still being trialed - so there is at least some short time immunity.

That is not immunity though is it ? I read that as just stopping them getting ill enough for life support ? There is no evidence you can't catch it again,prof whity was saying to the select committee that the cases of a second infection are concerning and there is nothing to say yet it is the same as other corona viruses,he also said in other corona viruses the immunity tends to wear off quite quickly,he doesn't think if we get a vaccine that it will be like the measles where you just have one injection to get life immunity.this part of the puzzle is nowhere near solved it seems

 

[Vic]

Injecting the plasma from survivors into new patients is working in preventing the transition to requiing ventilator care, in fact I don't know why it is still being trialed - so there is at least some short time immunity.

Blood plasma has got nothing to do with immunity - except if it works there might be some extra survivors who may have immunity, but we don't know that any survivors are immune, or, if they are, for how long.

Yep, for sure. And all the focus on the NHS and hospital deaths, whilst understandable, is only half the picture isn’t it, without factoring in care home and home cases and deaths.
Ultimately it’s a global pandemic, not a party political issue ffs, so why not for once just give direct answers?
I’ve no problem with them embellishing their answer and going round the houses or even off-topic, and long as we get a straight answer/the short version, as well, at the start.

It's party political if Cummings is in SAGE meetings asking if herd immunity is still a thing. But that would go to the heart of the main thread, and why we have so many deaths.​

 

[richardtheref]

maybe mate but i dont remember that,dont think he's been here since lol,funny how some posts stick in the back of your mind

I posted about a month ago that we were "projected" to end up with over 60k dead at present rates and going of what happened in other countries. Did get some negative comments.

 

[SilverFox2]

Another day, another indication that Rt approximately equals 1. I wonder how long it will take Whitty, Vallance and boys to state what needs to be done?

Seems that flattening the curve means preventing the curve rising which is fair enough but appears to lengthen the flat part for a longer time.
Useful I suppose to allow treatment to be phased over time but will it equate to less people being CV infected? Will it meet the exact part of the curve on the downside of the original curve then keep flat? Will we need so much time at the current level that the 2nd wave takes it back up again or simply allows continuation of what we think is the 1st wave?
Stupid questions I suppose but my mind works overtime when the normality of life changes radically.

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

2-14 days before symptoms another 7 -10 days about before you end up in intensive care then another 2 -3 weeks before you die,approx it will vary

But remember,most people never end up in hosp,most have mild or no symptoms,it is easy to get caught up in these deaths figures but stick to the rules and it will slow the spread which will help everyone

What i dont get is why is isolation period only 7-14 days when many people who have had it still have symptons after 4 ,5 maybe even 6 weeks and have already been tested positive 2 weeks previous.we know little or nothing about this virus.
How do we know for sure people are not still infectious and could be returning to work infecting overs.

 

[kaz7]

What i dont get is why is isolation period only 7-14 days when many people who have had it still have symptons after 4 ,5 maybe even 6 weeks and have already been tested positive 2 weeks previous.we know little or nothing about this virus.
How do we know for sure people are not still infectious and could be returning to work infecting overs.

It is because you only are shedding the virus for relatively short time,they know that from research,you continue to feel unwell because you still have it but you are not going to spread it,in my experience the cough goes on for weeks,that in itself is exhausting and relentless

 

[johnmc]

Forgive me for being daft here. But we are what 4 weeks in to lockdown. And the number of new cases is too high.

Surely there can be more work done here. Maybe it is being done but given the vast majority are not working they could trace the source a little easier. Are the majority of those contracting those that are in trades still working? Supermarket workers, post men, bin men or what?

Is it people not obeying lockdown protocols?

This sort of stuff should be easier to decipher now we are 4 weeks in.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

maybe mate but i dont remember that,dont think he's been here since lol,funny how some posts stick in the back of your mind

I know who it was as I slated him and then put him on ignore. He said this:

‘The number of deaths is doubling every 3 days. No one expects the lockdown to have much of an effect for another fortnight. By then it could be 50,000 deaths.’

 

[Claytop]

Lowest positive % of cases since late March, quite a lot more people tested aswell today.

 

[bluethrunthru]

WHO says indications are getting it doesn't guarantee immunity going forward - herd immunity?

 

[SWP's back]

WHO says indications are getting it doesn't guarantee immunity going forward - herd immunity?

If having antibodies doesn’t give anyone immunity, then there will never be a cure. So herd immunity won’t ever be achieved via vaccine or it “washing through” the population and it will become the new number one killer of people over the age of 60.

I’m still very circumspect on anything WHO says at the moment as they’ve not exact been clear or correct on everything thus far.

 

[chesterbells]

Blood plasma has got nothing to do with immunity - except if it works there might be some extra survivors who may have immunity, but we don't know that any survivors are immune, or, if they are, for how long.

It's party political if Cummings is in SAGE meetings asking if herd immunity is still a thing. But that would go to the heart of the main thread, and why we have so many deaths.​

Agreed about that, and I think it was completely unrealistic of the journalist to ask/expect an answer to recite quotations of what Cummings actually said in these meetings. The same for anyone else who was in the meeting meetings. However, the bloke could have been a lot more forthcoming in addressing the flippin question, rather than basically ignoring it, and answering something else, which is what he did. Twice.

 

[chesterbells]

If having antibodies doesn’t give anyone immunity, then there will never be a cure. So herd immunity won’t ever be achieved via vaccine or it “washing through” the population and it will become the new number one killer of people over the age of 60.

I’m still very circumspect on anything WHO says at the moment as they’ve not exact been clear or correct on everything thus far.

Yep, we’re looking at an era of much shorter average life expectancy and higher death rates for the species in that case aren’t we?