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purplenose said:
I think you are being a little bit negative here. Trials are exactly that. They may have learned things from the trials that point them in the direction of a more successful outcome.

The scientists have said all along they are confident that this thing can beaten it might take a little time. I have faith that they will crack it.
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Why?
40 years of HIV
SARS
MERS
Nowt.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Why?
40 years of HIV
SARS
MERS
Nowt.
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Thats a bit disingenuous really. HIV was a death sentence 40 years ago, now it is not due to treatments.
Now I know the treatments do not eradicate HIV but they keep people alive and their expected lifespan is exactly the same, as long as they can continue the treatments.

The progress that has been made with HIV treatments is outstanding. They now have PREP, which stops people getting infected in the first place. So although there is no cure for HIV, there are therapeutics which keep you alive and ones that stop you getting it in the first place.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Why?
40 years of HIV
SARS
MERS
Nowt.
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That is a good point,it would have created panic to say at the start how difficult it might be to discover one , i feel like they were too gushing about one realy,it has raised too much expectation,i notice recently there are more experts here and in America that are saying we might not find a good enough one and we might just have to live with it,i think we will find one but not till middle/late next year,we will have treatments though much sooner than that
 
HIV is a proper mess to try and vaccinate against. Our bodies do not generate a response to fight the virus. There is no animal subject to HIV infection that we can use to model and test, so.... what on earth would you base a vaccine on? HIV is also known to mutate very quickly.

SARS, on the other hand, was crushed before a vaccine was required. MERS too - total cases according to the WHO is 2500 in seven years

A COVID19 vaccine would sell billions, possibly annually in perpetuity. Success with Tamiflu gives us plenty of reason to hope, as does a tonne of data showing specific COVID immune responses of one kind or another.

Tho personally, any notion of it rolling out this autumn is pie in the sky. Usual positive spin, cum ignorance, cum outright lying, that we have been subjected to all year by a govt way out of it's depth at anything much more demanding than winding a section of the population up with wilful displays of arrogance.
 
And I think SARS & MERS petered out enough to not warrant huge resources being thrown at them (vaccine bit necessarily required).
I still hope that not only do they find a vaccine for this but for other viruses too (which many virologists have hoped for).
There been a vast amount of energy spent on the science.
 
grunge said:
would be ok for herd immunity but those at risk could still get hammered by it I guess?
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I never even thought about it from the Herd immunity side of things, but yeah, I suppose that would be right enough. If the risk was reduced for those vulnerable through weakened symptoms so that they have a strong to very strong chance of survival then it could open the door back to a semblance of normality. Simply a case of sitting back and waiting to see for now though.
 
I am watching a hospital programme and on day fifteen of the lockdown their oxygen supplies was lasting two days instead of a month and the pipes that delivered the oxygen were packing up,things were so fragile,every patient on oxygen,crashing fast multiplied by hospitals everywhere,relatives not allowed in,1,000 staff off sick of patients themselves
in the one hospital trust

What the nhs have and are doing is amazing

Royal free hospital on BBC catch up
 
karen7 said:
That is a good point,it would have created panic to say at the start how difficult it might be to discover one , i feel like they were too gushing about one realy,it has raised too much expectation,i notice recently there are more experts here and in America that are saying we might not find a good enough one and we might just have to live with it,i think we will find one but not till middle/late next year,we will have treatments though much sooner than that
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Operation Warp Speed?
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Why?
40 years of HIV
SARS
MERS
Nowt.
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I think firstly the last two you mention pretty much disappeared and research was much reduced as a result. Regarding HIV for the first couple of decades it was seen as a disease that by and large effected people in society who took drugs or indulged in sexually deviant activities or at least that was how gay people were viewed.

Of course the biggest difference is money. The whole world has suddenly seen fit to give the scientists almost unlimited funding and therefore much more can be done. This virus has managed to bring the world to a grinding halt and that is costing lots of wonga. The bottom line is this, unless we find a cure or vaccine or the virus dies out then the world is royally fucked. Social distancing simply will not work its a fantasy, its not going to work in schools, offices, airports,buses, trains, planes, docors surgeries dentists, hospital...plenty more I can list.

There are no guarantees of course but if we fail the world is knackered because huge chunks of the economy will be permanently finished, much of society will be permanently finished.

There has never been so much resource brought to bare on a worldwide basis.

That is why I am confident we will find answers sooner rather than later.
 
johnnytapia said:
True Blue, so quit the dissin'!
"O'Leary has also been a Manchester City supporter since an early age. In 2003, he was offered the opportunity to buy a stake in the club but believed the potential benefits did not outweigh the risk and preferred to visit England to watch a few matches each season.[45] He wore a Manchester City shirt when unveiling Ryanair's new destinations to and from Manchester Airport in 2011.[46]"
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That is," It would be like pissing water down a drain". :)
 
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