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BlueAnorak said:
Agency staff were one of the main causes of the spread of Covid-19 between care homes:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/agency-staff-were-spreading-covid-19-between-care-homes-phe-found-in-april

Nice to see the Grauniad try and blame the government, but surely the care home providers must have some responsibility here?
Another failure of the totally incompetent PHE beuracracy here too. After finding out how did they try to stop it?
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The care homes were told in feb there was no problem even on the horizon so they just carried on,they are understaffed as they are,if they had been warned about what was coming and given advice then you could put a little blame on them
there was no advice,no ring of steel and a care home owner had those docs on sky news with dates and they were also told that there was no problem sending patients in from hospital without a test,he also said they were buying PPE from eBay although they had a already had a decent level before the virus hit that they had brought in normal times,there is only two people to point fingers at here
 
karen7 said:
The care homes were told in feb there was no problem even on the horizon so they just carried on,they are understaffed as they are,if they had been warned about what was coming and given advice then you could put a little blame on them
there was no advice,no ring of steel and a care home owner had those docs on sky news with dates and they were also told that there was no problem sending patients in from hospital without a test,he also said they were buying PPE from eBay although they had a already had a decent level before the virus hit that they had brought in normal times,there is only two people to point fingers at here
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Really
- You think care hone owners/operating companies are that thick?
- You also think PHE, and DHSC beuracrates are bright enough to spot issues outside of the processes they are working to?
 
BlueAnorak said:
Really
- You think care hone owners/operating companies are that thick?
- You also think PHE, and DHSC beuracrates are bright enough to spot issues outside of the processes they are working to?
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I don't think care home owners /managers are thick,they have to be led by the gov and PHE and whoever else are the ones running the pandamic,they were told they weren't in danger in feb,they have take pts back from hospitals and were told no test was needed or maybe nobody who should have made the connection,made it
The homes decided off their own back to stop allowing visitors ,nobody advised them to do it,they maybe thought they were covering the bases,as for lockdown in terms of staff moving in I don't know without looking

It is late,i will have a look at time lines in the morning
 
BlueSkinz said:
I can see this proper kickin off before Christmas.
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If people follow the advice, it's more likely to peter out.

However it's getting people to follow the advice that is the problem, and their work places, and anywhere in public, supermarkets for instance, I've used 3 locally in the last 4 weeks, I won't be using 2 of them again as they were full of idiots that don't even follow simple instructions, and these supermarkets were letting in too many idiots at the same time, because otherwise it affects their profit margin, the other is being very good, and the people are generally sensible in there.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Really
- You think care hone owners/operating companies are that thick?
- You also think PHE, and DHSC beuracrates are bright enough to spot issues outside of the processes they are working to?
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There are no one size fits all with care homes mate. The care home managers we see on the news tend to be part of national associations and regional networks who value their staff by for example, promoting standards of training and safety etc. There are also a lot of care homes that are very much stand alone and don’t, for example, fill in the National Minimum Data Set. These might be less likely to follow national guidance but we don’t know.

What seems to be apparent is that capacity has bossed strategy throughout this crisis so carers (who regularly wear PPE but not face masks) were not encouraged to wear face masks because this might have diluted supplies to the NHS and the people responsible for running the national stockpile of masks had let these stocks go years out of date. The lack of use of face masks (during March / early April) will have contributed to the spread of the virus.

Many of the care owners will be devastated by the virus and the loss of lives to people they and their staff have been caring for. Obviously, many staff are used to seeingbpeople dying but not on this scale / rate and the virus has smashed a psychological
contract between the careers and the residents to
to offer as good a quality end to residents’ days as possible.

Hopefully, the number of people seriously ill with the virus will continue to fall (subject to late reporting over the weekend) and everywhere has broken the back of at least the first wave of the virus. Each day there seems to be more grounds for optimism and hopefully the lessons have been learnt from early mishandling of testing, PPE etc.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Are you a complete numpty?
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You're one of the most negative people on this thread rushing to your computer at the slightest bit of bad news so I'm not surprised that you think it will kill you. In case you're totally oblivious, unless you're either really old, really fat or really ill you are very very unlikely to die.
 
cleavers said:
If people follow the advice, it's more likely to peter out.

However it's getting people to follow the advice that is the problem, and their work places, and anywhere in public, supermarkets for instance, I've used 3 locally in the last 4 weeks, I won't be using 2 of them again as they were full of idiots that don't even follow simple instructions, and these supermarkets were letting in too many idiots at the same time, because otherwise it affects their profit margin, the other is being very good, and the people are generally sensible in there.
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I stopped using my large Sainsbury store as their policy appeared to be one out, ten in and sanitise your own trolley in an area where everyone had to pass you. Completely bonkers approach which wasn’t helped by the staff ignoring social distancing.
 
Bluemoon dan said:
Pretty much everyone with more than a couple of brain cells to rub together.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52715571

This sort of inevitable outcome was discussed at length on here and the 'Is lockdown beginning to show signs of breaking' thread
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I was chatting to an ICU nurse in Leeds on Friday night and Leeds hasn’t seen the increase Bradford has. I know a nurse at Bradford and the hospital seems to be a bit of an outlier in that it’s ICU capacity is still under strain.

I know loads of people had a knees up for VE Day but the majority of people stayed in after then. There are ups and downs and the post VE Day stay in (at least where I live) May have contributed to the significant reductions in serious cases in recent days. Ps Obviously, Ramadan was likely to have a bigger impact in Bradford than most Cities.
 
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Eds said:
I stopped using my large Sainsbury store as their policy appeared to be one out, ten in and sanitise your own trolley in an area where everyone had to pass you. Completely bonkers approach which wasn’t helped by the staff ignoring social distancing.
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I normally go to Aldi but I went to Waitrose on Sunday because I needed to take empties back to the on site bottle bank. I noticed that at Aldi, people tend to keep at the sides of the aisles but the Waitrose crowd seem to think they have a right to walk down the middle of the aisles, compromising customers social distancing.
 
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