COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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I think by most judgements we have not done well. I don't blame anyone in particular, I think there's been mistakes made all the way along by all sorts of people. From the duff advice about herd immunity, IMO locking down too late, allowing various activities (and paradoxically barring other relatively innocuous ones), the shameful clinging to this nonsense about no benefit in face masks - doubtless influenced by the acute lack of PPE for the medical professionals. Idiotic behaviour by certain members of the public. It's not been a catalogue of disaster and cock up and it is admirable that we have managed to keep critical case load below the NHS's capacity to cope with it. The Nightingale hospitals are an inspiration.

But the bottom line is we had a 2 or 3 week advantage over Spain, France and Italy and have ended up with more dead than they have. That cannot be described as us having done well. At all.

At this moment in time this is looking correct. Time to judge properly will be in 18 months time when we see how 2nd and 3rd waves develop and also the impact the stricter lockdown will have on the people in the countries.
 
Deary fucking me...we're being guided by bellends.


If large fines and I mean more than £10k and prison sentences could be dished out to idiots like this then maybe fewer people would be this stupid. It’s unbelievable.
 
Yes but no one knows how it will all play out in the end.

There are 3 ways out of this:

Immunity from infection
Immunity from vaccination or an effective medicine
Test like mad and hope it gets a country through their winter, and the 2nd wave. The 2nd wave is important as no country will be able to lockdown again. They will collapse as happened in the financial collapse with runs on the banks etc.

The UK has gone for option 1, and that's not because they are callous or stupid but because the experts think that the most important aspect is to avoid a 2nd peak. I think they may pragmatically switch to testing depending on current immunity levels, vaccine progress and the results of testing.

Most countries are coming through the 1st wave now. Deaths will fall significantly in the Northern Hemisphere. We don't know if it will fall close to zero, or tick over in the background but without any immunity some countries will be very prone to another wave in the late Autumn. The conservative strategy has some logic behind it and it's not callous. I suspect that there will be a vaccine, and that Germany, China, South Korea will all be able to hold it at bay but we that is really an act of faith. South Korea and China stopped it by mass testing but they have different environmental conditions. We don't know if it hits again in the Winter that we'd be able to do that. I am pretty confident that the UK will cope this Autumn because so many people have had it now. But what happens to those temperate states with very low immunity in the Autumn? No one knows. Everyone would like to think testing will hold it off but that's an act of faith.

It's an unbelievably difficult problem. it's not helped by suppressing the scientific opinion that's fed to government from SAGE. I have changed my opinion on the subject and still wobble around about it now as there's so much to understand and we don't have access to information or have a good understanding of the underlying science.

I fully understand what they tried to do but like I have already said when the government representatives stand on live television and say an open stadium sporting even is fine because you won't come in to contact with that many people showed nievety. We have all been to football matches and knew it was nonsense as soon as we heard it.

As far as the heard immunity, the rate of death in Italy was enough of a warning that it was a stupid idea.

The truth is the tory government decided that it had to worry about what they thought was more important (finance) instead of what really is important "life". They inherited this world we live in the same as the rest of us, that doesn't mean it wasn't already broken.
 
I think it’s circa 32,300 that number doesn’t include Scotland and NI additional deaths
I think the figures have always included Scotland’s and NI’s additional deaths. It was England’s and Wales’ that were missing up until about 25 April. I believe they’re all counted now from all countries.
What’s not included is all the excess deaths which could potentially double the figure but there will be indirect effects included in those excess deaths. The same applies to all countries though.
The country that’s most likely to overtake us is Russia but they’re not including people with underlying conditions so their reporting is grossly understated, so we’ll never know.
 
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