COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Healdplace]

No Scottish Covid briefings now until Tuesday. Will be three times a week (Tu, We, Thu) until Schools return.

Wales ending them too after today.

Wales gave no new figures but noted that the difference between when they started in early April and now are stark.

Then 219 per day new cases - yesterday 18.

Then 149 per day into hospital - yesterday 49.

Then 164 in icu - yesterday 10.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

There were a lot of us who saw this "Blame the scientists" coming a mile off.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Matt Hancock has ordered an urgent review into PHE statistics on Covid deaths as it appears they include anyone who ever tested positive even if they died months later from an unrelated condition.

Fucking beyond belief if true.

Makes up for those who died of Pnumonia in care homes who actually died of Covud-19 (to mid April).
Excess deaths is the maker and this doesn't change that at all.
Even if they died of a heart attack. Mainly because many of them were too scared to go to the hospital or the doctors for an earlier set of symptoms.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Makes up for those who died of Pnumonia in care homes who actually died of Covud-19 (to mid April).
Excess deaths is the maker and this doesn't change that at all.
Even if they died of a heart attack. Mainly because many of them were too scared to go to the hospital or the doctors for an earlier set of symptoms.

Incidently my comment doesnt stop me calling out PHE for being absolute shite during this health crisis. Because they have.
The list of incompetences is endless - the big one being trying to do all testing in house when universities were volunteering to help. Considering the government is a Conservstive one staying in-house astonishes me.

 

[ganganvince]

Excess deaths doesn't back that up at all though. If they were just not reporting covid on deaths but had lots of deaths they would be showing in excess deaths but they are not. Its the big advantage of looking at excess deaths as you cant hide causes elsewhere.

Whitty is already on record saying us failing to follow Germany's test everything and track and trace schemes is the reason.

He is also on record as saying we didn't have the capacity/capability at that time and his biggest regret is we didn't do more to increase the capacity but Germany were in a much better position due to the pharmaceutical companies based there and number of labs.

 

[Eds]

I said a long time ago that if I were diagnosed with terminal cancer and given 14 days to live then tested positive for Covid on day 13 and died on day 14 as predicted would I be classed as a Covid death. Majority of people said yes despite it being obvious that it was terminal cancer. I guess a lot of deaths have been allocated this way and it won't be until the end of the year or even next year will we know the true extent.

 

[shemnel]

I said a long time ago that if I were diagnosed with terminal cancer and given 14 days to live then tested positive for Covid on day 13 and died on day 14 as predicted would I be classed as a Covid death. Majority of people said yes despite it being obvious that it was terminal cancer. I guess a lot of deaths have been allocated this way and it won't be until the end of the year or even next year will we know the true extent.

and suspected deaths too. Death certificates can be signed as Covid as primary OR underlying cause of death, WITHOUT a positive test result. I have always maintained covid deaths are being over-reported, i just dont know why. However it is simply not that straightforward as we clearly have an excess mortality in the earlier spring.

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-s...id/covid-19-death-certification-and-cremation

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Makes up for those who died of Pnumonia in care homes who actually died of Covud-19 (to mid April).
Excess deaths is the maker and this doesn't change that at all.
Even if they died of a heart attack. Mainly because many of them were too scared to go to the hospital or the doctors for an earlier set of symptoms.

That is correct but it makes a huge difference now as it skews the figures to the point where the correct decisions can't be made. The fact is that the numbers dying in hospital are very small but the keep adding 'all settings deaths' that are clearly bollocks. They are either from months ago or not Covid related.

What matters is how many people are currently getting Covid, how many are in hospital and how many are dying RIGHT NOW.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital deaths 16 with 2 from yesterday and just 3 from the NW.

Last Friday it was 22 with 6 from the day before and 8 from the NW

Think this is the lowest weekday total yet since way back at the start.

 

[Healdplace]

However, 9 were added to the 3 from 15 July to make a 2 day total of 12

Just 3 added to the 14 July total to make a 3 day total of just 8.

Just 1 added to the 13 July total to make a 4 day total of 21

And nothing added to the 12 July total which remains at 12 as the 5 day total.

Nothing else significant added as the 16 in all suggests - so the 11 July total is still only 7 after 6 days. And the 10 July total is 16 after a full week of catch ups.

That 37 (still 37) from July 9 - which added a most unusual 18 in one day last week - sticks out now as an anomaly - as no other day for two weeks before then even now exceeds it despite having many extra days of add ons.