COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Healdplace]

Interesting that London, per capita, has consistently had pretty much less hospitality deaths than most other areas in the last three months or so. Especially when you think of population density and ethnic profile.

I think when I last looked, there had not been more than two hospital deaths (day of death) apart from a handful of days in June.

Assuming you meant hospital deaths not hospitality (if not apologies!) I mentioned this earlier today in the England hospital death data report if you look back a couple of pages. It is certainly true.

 

[Bluesince1979]

Of course they are, but if it's justified bad enough that households can't meet, then pubs etc should surely be shut, as people will come into close contact, I'm not talking nationwide, I'm talking in local lockdowns.

Is it not just a case of doing what we can whilst keeping the economy ticking over ?

 

[shemnel]

What’s Germany doing that we’re not?

few interesting things going on, in my opinion;

cases:
- 270k positive tests in Germany and 380k positive tests in UK is different but not radically so for a large nation.
- UK are now testing c. 40% more people per 1,000 than germany and therefore probably finding more cases
- germans are perhaps more at a disposition to follow sensible rules, the brits have always been a bit more touchy with friends and family (maybe)
- german test rates are now falling while the UK's is still high

Deaths:
recorded deaths (10k germany vs 40k UK) could be due to;
- methodology of recording deaths, i read something that said in germany the cause via covid should be be more contributory to death than just a positive test at time of death as in the UK (or even suspected positive, as in UK)
- less obese people
- didnt have a huge care home crisis as they didnt seed the homes by emptying out the old people from hospitals (national scandal) - though i believe they did have some care home problems.
- @Blue Hefner made a point: Germany have always had a massive hospital capacity and perhaps they treated patients differently with respect ventilation as reported in some places, but i dont know what effect that has had

just some thoughts

 

[Healdplace]

The GM scoreboard is a bit of an up/down thing. The fall in numbers is not matched by the big fall in the NW so pro rata I think the GM region comes off worse.

It is 445 today - second worst total yet. Down on yesterdays record 516 but at just 71 down when the region has fallen by 358 it is proportionately an increase day on day.

It was 378 last Thursday for a 7 day comparison.

Also numbers seem to be up and down and merging into one county wide pandemic of not vast differences as used to be true.

With the 'good guys' of Wigan and Stockport (Stockport especially) having bad numbers today and only Trafford again doing well. Ironically still in restrictions when the other two towns are not. It is increasingly possible Wigan and Stockport might have to go back into restrictions. Certainly it makes no sense if they do not and Trafford stays in them as it is the only real candidate for a borough in control right now. And much better than either of them over the past week/10 days when they review this.

Most of the big number towns went down and there was only one triple digit score today. Though also only one below 20 and you will know who that was from the above.

 

[kaz7]

Aye, and that's crap, but shouting down every poster who's opinion differs slightly to yours essentially makes it impossible for anyone to discuss things properly on this thread. Maybe consider other people's viewpoints and the possible value in them.

That same poster has called this a scam, it is an excuse to take away our rights, control us blah blah, he doesn't take any precautions that protect all of us , he can get fucked with that irresponsibly , i have read enough from him to have an opinion to give back to him

 

[crooky]

Having Germans in your country rather than Brits is a massive advantage to start with.

Why are we so self deprecating as a country?

Maybe having a higher population density is one reason we're higher.

@shemnel - Brilliant post above.

 

[kaz7]

The head of Test and Trace has said she doesn't believe "anybody was expecting to see the really sizeable increase in demand" for coronavirus tests.

Coronavirus: Head of Test and Trace says rise in demand for COVID tests wasn't expected

Baroness Dido Harding partially blames it on schools reopening after being told "clearly you didn't prepare enough" over summer.

news.sky.com

I would laugh but really she is serious, how much does she get paid for doing nothing

Also teachers at the top of the lists for testing to keep schools open, they want schools open at all costs, a fine target but you can't have everything , front line services and care workers should be top, over 400 have died looking after us, they are most at risk and can spread it the most with the amount of people they are seeing

I could and do cry that we are sleep walking into winter

 

[Blue Hefner]

Why are we so self deprecating as a country?

Maybe having a higher population density is one reason we're higher.

@shemnel - Brilliant post above.

Also, their hospital capacity outstrips most.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Less time in side with lower social distancing?

yeah they won’t have worked out to meet at 7pm instead of 8pm.

 

[cleavers]

The head of Test and Trace has said she doesn't believe "anybody was expecting to see the really sizeable increase in demand" for coronavirus tests.

Coronavirus: Head of Test and Trace says rise in demand for COVID tests wasn't expected

Baroness Dido Harding partially blames it on schools reopening after being told "clearly you didn't prepare enough" over summer.

news.sky.com

I would laugh but really she is serious, how much does she get paid for doing nothing

Also teachers at the top of the lists for testing to keep schools open, they want schools open at all costs, a fine target but you can't have everything , front line services and care workers should be top, over 400 have died looking after us, they are most at risk and can spread it the most with the amount of people they are seeing

I could and do cry that we are sleep walking into winter

To be fair, if people were doing what they should be, we probably wouldn't have had the sizeable increase in demand, it's people who probably don't need a test that's driven the demand, they could just isolate for 5,7, even10 days and see what happens, if it doesn't improve or gets worse then get a test, but not at the first snivel.

I wonder how many kids who don't particularly like school have come home "feeling unwell", knowing they can avoid school for a bit longer ?

As for teachers being top of the list, I'm sure health care, and social care share the top of the list with teachers, and rightly so, kids do need to be at school, and for that they need teachers (and in many cases, other people working in the education system).