COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[hilts]

Having a population that listens and follows the rules?

Why are we so self deprecating as a country?

Maybe having a higher population density is one reason we're higher.

@shemnel - Brilliant post above.

I get my opinion from actually watching Brits behaviour. I'm sure Germany has it's share I just don't believe it can be as high as ours.

Countries get the government they deserve at the end of the day.

 

[kaz7]

To be fair, if people were doing what they should be, we probably wouldn't have had the sizeable increase in demand, it's people who probably don't need a test that's driven the demand, they could just isolate for 5,7, even10 days and see what happens, if it doesn't improve or gets worse then get a test, but not at the first snivel.

I wonder how many kids who don't particularly like school have come home "feeling unwell", knowing they can avoid school for a bit longer ?

As for teachers being top of the list, I'm sure health care, and social care share the top of the list with teachers, and rightly so, kids do need to be at school, and for that they need teachers (and in many cases, other people working in the education system).

Come on now, getting everywhere open and kids going back to school and autumn viruses kicking in, nearly winter and the well paid head of testing can't see a rise in testing needs ? I don't dispute schools need to be open but you can't have everywhere open at the same time, i also understand economy v health in case anyone doubts that, impatience i get but we are only a few months into a pandemic, let's not rush

 

[cleavers]

Holland have had their biggest number of new cases ever today, for the second day in a row.

I don't know the state of their testing system, but they've only done 10% of the number of tests we've done since the start (smaller population obviously).

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

few interesting things going on, in my opinion;

cases:
- 270k positive tests in Germany and 380k positive tests in UK is different but not radically so for a large nation.
- UK are now testing c. 40% more people per 1,000 than germany and therefore probably finding more cases
- germans are perhaps more at a disposition to follow sensible rules, the brits have always been a bit more touchy with friends and family (maybe)
- german test rates are now falling while the UK's is still high

Deaths:
recorded deaths (10k germany vs 40k UK) could be due to;
- methodology of recording deaths, i read something that said in germany the cause via covid should be be more contributory to death than just a positive test at time of death as in the UK (or even suspected positive, as in UK)
- less obese people
- didnt have a huge care home crisis as they didnt seed the homes by emptying out the old people from hospitals (national scandal) - though i believe they did have some care home problems.
- @Blue Hefner made a point: Germany have always had a massive hospital capacity and perhaps they treated patients differently with respect ventilation as reported in some places, but i dont know what effect that has had

just some thoughts

You can add that their general population is healthier than ours, they have much better technology and infrastructure, and their federal political structure means that power to tackle health issues is devolved to regions. In other words they do the opposite of what happens over here.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

few interesting things going on, in my opinion;

cases:
- 270k positive tests in Germany and 380k positive tests in UK is different but not radically so for a large nation.
- UK are now testing c. 40% more people per 1,000 than germany and therefore probably finding more cases
- germans are perhaps more at a disposition to follow sensible rules, the brits have always been a bit more touchy with friends and family (maybe)
- german test rates are now falling while the UK's is still high

Deaths:
recorded deaths (10k germany vs 40k UK) could be due to;
- methodology of recording deaths, i read something that said in germany the cause via covid should be be more contributory to death than just a positive test at time of death as in the UK (or even suspected positive, as in UK)
- less obese people
- didnt have a huge care home crisis as they didnt seed the homes by emptying out the old people from hospitals (national scandal) - though i believe they did have some care home problems.
- @Blue Hefner made a point: Germany have always had a massive hospital capacity and perhaps they treated patients differently with respect ventilation as reported in some places, but i dont know what effect that has had

just some thoughts

Locking down earlier was undoubtedly a factor but having many more hospital beds per 100000 people helps enormously. They didn’t need to send infected patients back to care homes and, most importantly, they coukd carry on doing the ‘normal’ things that healthcare systems do (routine surgery, cancer and cardiac treatments etc).
In 2018, per 100000 in Germany: beds about 800, ICU beds about 40.
in 2018, per 100000 in Britain. : beds about 250, ICU beds about 7.
At the same time they had 25000 ventilators and we had between 6 and 8 thousand.
Its the same story with clinicians. Per 100000 population again.
Nurses and Midwives. Germany 1320, U.K. 820
Physicians. Germany 420, U.K. 280

 

[True_Blue69]

I agree, i would blast him but it is not worth a ban

You couldn't be more of a Karen if you tried could you.

 

[carlosthejackal]

Seems strange the Government are keen on comparing testing numbers compared to the rest of Europe but dismissed comparisons on death rates when compared to Europe.

 

[Healdplace]

GM scoreboard:

Bolton 76 - big drop from 130 happily to a better day. 1397 in month (new record). 651 past week. 206 over 2 days (was 211). Pop score up 26 to 1248. Running neck and neck with Preston at 1252 after it had big numbers today.

Bury 36 - up from 35 to another record here. 457 in month. 206 past week, 71 over 2 days (was 65). Pop score up 19 to 1023.

Manchester 102 - down from 115 but to its second worst number. 1408 in month (new record for GM). 551 past week. (Manchester record). 217 over 2 days (was 180). Pop score up 18 to 965.

Oldham 38 - down from 45. 748 in month. 300 past week. 83 over 2 days (was 90). Pop score up 16 to 1457. Blackburn ahead at 1466 now after another bad day there.

Rochdale 29 - down from 48. Like Oldham a hopeful fall. 556 in month. 222 past week. 77 over 2 days (was 81). POp score up 13 but not enough to see it enter the 1200 club at 1207.

Salford 53 - down a little but still second worst ever. University return here seems to be a factor. 660 in month. 281 past week. 113 over 2 days (was 99). Pop score up 20 and easily took it into the 900 club at 909. This has now risen 261 points in the past 30 days. Though only 32 of them in the first 9 days showing how fast this once well under cfontrol city has risen.

Stockport 32 - up from 25 to the worst number yet for here. Its top in GM records are crashing as we speak. Recall it had 1 case (by far lowest in any GM town of late in current restrictions) and that was just 2 weeks ago. I have not seen Elise for a few days to ask but hope she has a plan. 334 in month (new record). 172 past week (new record). 57 over 2 days (was 44) - new record. Pop score up by record 11 to 773. We will soon have no 700 club boroughs in GM it seems as Stockport clings on.

Tameside 22 - down from 41 - much better day here to lowest in 8 days. 602 in month,. 285 past week. 63 over 2 days (was 66). Pop score up 10 to 1065. Good while Since it fared better than Stockport. Hopefully they have tracked and traced the causes.

Trafford 18 - down from 25. As is now the norm best in GM. 343 in month. Not quite enough to catch Stockport for the monthly title in GM but there is always tomorrow. 115 past week. Still no sub 100 GM borough but now well away from the rest holding this record. 43 over 2 days (was 39). Pop score up 8 to 811 so made up 3 on Stockport in chase for this title but still 38 behind so not imminent barring something going very right or very wrong in either place.

Wigan 39 - down from that awful 52 but still second worst ever for town that used to get 0s a month ago. 414 in month (new record). 217 past week. Over 100 behind Trafford so not close to regaining a title it used to hold

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

GM scoreboard:

Bolton 76 - big drop from 130 happily to a better day. 1397 in month (new record). 651 past week. 206 over 2 days (was 211). Pop score up 26 to 1248. Running neck and neck with Preston at 1252 after it had big numbers today.

Bury 36 - up from 35 to another record here. 457 in month. 206 past week, 71 over 2 days (was 65). Pop score up 19 to 1023.

Manchester 102 - down from 115 but to its second worst number. 1408 in month (new record for GM). 551 past week. (Manchester record). 217 over 2 days (was 180). Pop score up 18 to 965.

Oldham 38 - down from 45. 748 in month. 300 past week. 83 over 2 days (was 90). Pop score up 16 to 1457. Blackburn ahead at 1466 now after another bad day there.

Rochdale 29 - down from 48. Like Oldham a hopeful fall. 556 in month. 222 past week. 77 over 2 days (was 81). POp score up 13 but not enough to see it enter the 1200 club at 1207.

Salford 53 - down a little but still second worst ever. University return here seems to be a factor. 660 in month. 281 past week. 113 over 2 days (was 99). Pop score up 20 and easily took it into the 900 club at 909. This has now risen 261 points in the past 30 days. Though only 32 of them in the first 9 days showing how fast this once well under cfontrol city has risen.

Stockport 32 - up from 25 to the worst number yet for here. Its top in GM records are crashing as we speak. Recall it had 1 case *(by far lowest in any GM town of late in current restrictions) and that was just over 2 weeks ago. I have not seen Elise for a few days to ask but hope she has a plan. 334 in month (new record). 172 past week (new record). 57 over 2 days (was 44) - new record. Pop score up by record 11 to 773. We will soon have no 700 club boroughs in GM it seems as Stockport clings on. Soon may have no top in GM status.

Tameside 22 - down from 41 - much better day here to lowest in 8 days. 602 in month,. 285 past week. 63 over 2 days (was 66). Pop score up 10 to 1065. Good while Since it fared better than Stockport. Hopefully they have tracked and traced the causes.

Trafford 18 - down from 25. As is now the norm best in GM. 343 in month. Not quite enough to catch Stockport for the monthly title in GM but there is always tomorrow. 115 past week. Still no sub 100 GM borough but now well away from the rest holding this record. 43 over 2 days (was 39). Pop score up 8 to 811 so made up 3 on Stockport in chase for this title but still 38 behind so not imminent barring something going very right or very wrong in either place.

Wigan 39 - down from that awful 52 but still second worst ever for town that used to get 0s a month ago. 414 in month (new record). 217 past week. Over 100 behind Trafford so not close to regaining a title it used to hold

yet Trafford is still having lockdown rules . Very good at imposing rules not very good at releasing them.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

To be fair, if people were doing what they should be, we probably wouldn't have had the sizeable increase in demand, it's people who probably don't need a test that's driven the demand, they could just isolate for 5,7, even10 days and see what happens, if it doesn't improve or gets worse then get a test, but not at the first snivel.

I wonder how many kids who don't particularly like school have come home "feeling unwell", knowing they can avoid school for a bit longer ?

As for teachers being top of the list, I'm sure health care, and social care share the top of the list with teachers, and rightly so, kids do need to be at school, and for that they need teachers (and in many cases, other people working in the education system).

This is the message the government should have been ramming home consistently. Temperature, continuous cough or loss of smell/taste and anything else don’t go for a test.
Problem is, as with many things this government does, hitting the target frequently means missing the point. In an attempt to prove how clever they were just a couple of weeks ago the message was “everyone who wants one can have a test“, and we are now witnessing the aftermath of those statements.