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marcus said:
I was going to say its not difficult is it. But, to some, it seemingly is.

my mum has terminal lung cancer, if she cops for covid itll probs finish her off. She knows this, but is happy to take the risk, because whats the alternative? Run scared and be gone soon anyway? Or live whatever life she can whilst she can.

a very noisy few posters on here who dont work for whatever reason , dont care about the economy as much as others as theyll still get there “wage” at the end of each month
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Well that is nasty and if aimed at me then you can do one
 
worsleyweb said:
I have emailed Boris tonight and suggested that when this is all over he should give us an annual Covid bank holiday where people reflect on this crazy year and take the time to spend it with an elderly relative. Suggested mid January as well to break up the shit bit after Xmas!
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All mine are dead, you’ll have to spend a day with me :-)))
 
Healdplace said:
I have talked about the war analogy in here before because I grew up when rationing was just ending and there were bomb sites all over Manchester still. And my parents inspired me with tales of how they did their bit as teenagers/young adults. Volunteer firefighting in the Manchester blitz (my dad) and a land army girl (my mum).

Its not the similarity or difference between Covid and the Nazis as the enemy that is the problem its that then there was only really one source of information and you all trusted it - the BBC. What it said was what was happening. Though spin existed even then nobody was looking for it or presuming it underpinned every decision. It made the desire to stick together so much easier.

Yes there was the odd dispute and some make a buck spivs but the majority saw it as a common battle and there were not a million different versions of every event to disect endlessly with a thousad others at the press of a button.

The internet is a wonderful thing in many ways but it sure has made fighting a pandemic much harder in some regards because it has allowed everyone with a theory - be it sane or crackpot - to have an audience better than even the KIng could command on the radio if some message was in need to be conveyed to the nation.

Our global village of instant communication has fractured the sense of pulling together in your owm small patch of Earth and the oneness that briefly surfaced with the clap for carers and Captain Tom stories was sadly transient. Though emotionally very beneficial when it flickered at the time.

Now we have all been saturated in a bath of Covid theories, hopes, dreams, conspiracy claims and at heart everyone is just trying to make sense and find hope and make this work within their life, their family, their job.

Every human has a coping mechanism in a crisis. Mine is keeping on top of the data as it creates an illusion of control that I know is not real but gets me through the day to feel like I am in some way contributing something useful. At my age a good thing.

Some find trying to uncover what is really happening helpful to them. Hence the multiplicity of argument and theory. Others just want it all to go away and life get back to normal so they put up shields of normality around them to live as if there is no Covid.

There is no right or wrong way to get by here. And we should make space to accept how others need to handle this even if we feel it very wrong. But we really are missing that sense of all in this together which was I think the biggest reason we fought for 6 years and won that war against tyranny. Because far more then trusted others to have their back just as they would reciprocate if needs be.

The internet has brought many benefits but it has made us into a shallow society which now seems to have made arguing and being proven right an art form to be cherished under the guise of made up names and avatars.

Life moves on. So will this terrible period end too. But it is a shame we cannot recapture more of that wartime spirit of community becuse it would get many through these next few months in better fettle than just letting off steam invisibly on a forum.

Though in of itself that does have a part to play in easing the mental angst these torrid times are going to stir into wakefulness like a behemoth rising up from slumber within the depths of our soul.
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Best post of the thread

If only the news source now could be BBC and your updates - we would be in a much better happier place.

Unfortunately Youtube, Twitter and other Social Media sites have taken over, crackpot conspiracys and constant misinformation spreading like wildfire. It really is depressing.
 
Healdplace said:
I have talked about the war analogy in here before because I grew up when rationing was just ending and there were bomb sites all over Manchester still. And my parents inspired me with tales of how they did their bit as teenagers/young adults. Volunteer firefighting in the Manchester blitz (my dad) and a land army girl (my mum).

Its not the similarity or difference between Covid and the Nazis as the enemy that is the problem its that then there was only really one source of information and you all trusted it - the BBC. What it said was what was happening. Though spin existed even then nobody was looking for it or presuming it underpinned every decision. It made the desire to stick together so much easier.

Yes there was the odd dispute and some make a buck spivs but the majority saw it as a common battle and there were not a million different versions of every event to disect endlessly with a thousad others at the press of a button.

The internet is a wonderful thing in many ways but it sure has made fighting a pandemic much harder in some regards because it has allowed everyone with a theory - be it sane or crackpot - to have an audience better than even the KIng could command on the radio if some message was in need to be conveyed to the nation.

Our global village of instant communication has fractured the sense of pulling together in your owm small patch of Earth and the oneness that briefly surfaced with the clap for carers and Captain Tom stories was sadly transient. Though emotionally very beneficial when it flickered at the time.

Now we have all been saturated in a bath of Covid theories, hopes, dreams, conspiracy claims and at heart everyone is just trying to make sense and find hope and make this work within their life, their family, their job.

Every human has a coping mechanism in a crisis. Mine is keeping on top of the data as it creates an illusion of control that I know is not real but gets me through the day to feel like I am in some way contributing something useful. At my age a good thing.

Some find trying to uncover what is really happening helpful to them. Hence the multiplicity of argument and theory. Others just want it all to go away and life get back to normal so they put up shields of normality around them to live as if there is no Covid.

There is no right or wrong way to get by here. And we should make space to accept how others need to handle this even if we feel it very wrong. But we really are missing that sense of all in this together which was I think the biggest reason we fought for 6 years and won that war against tyranny. Because far more then trusted others to have their back just as they would reciprocate if needs be.

The internet has brought many benefits but it has made us into a shallow society which now seems to have made arguing and being proven right an art form to be cherished under the guise of made up names and avatars.

Life moves on. So will this terrible period end too. But it is a shame we cannot recapture more of that wartime spirit of community becuse it would get many through these next few months in better fettle than just letting off steam invisibly on a forum.

Though in of itself that does have a part to play in easing the mental angst these torrid times are going to stir into wakefulness like a behemoth rising up from slumber within the depths of our soul.
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Superb thoughts @Healdplace and - as I and many others have said before - thanks for putting the daily info together in an easy to read way. I don't want to "like" your posts when the figures are bad, but they help me to make sense of truly extraordinary times.

So, thanks again and please keep the data and thoughts coming!
 
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Latest GDP figures out at 7am (for August). They expect to show the economy continuing to recover but the year on year figures will still be down (maybe by 7% or 8%)

Note: the actual reduction in GDP since the pandemic began is 9%
 
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Tim of the Oak said:
Latest GDP figures out at 7am (for August). They expect to show the economy continuing to recover but the year on year figures will still be down (maybe by 6% or 7%).
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The economy only grew by 2.1% in August that was less than expectations. I think that means GDP is down a tenth on pre pandemic levels.
 
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