COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[worsleyweb]

Data average age death coronavirus is 82.4 years, writes DAVID ROSE

DAVID ROSE: The average age of people who died from Covid-19 in England and Wales since the pandemic began is 82.4 according to the Office of National Statistics.

www.dailymail.co.uk

i know it’s the daily mail but it references the underlying report.

average age of covid deaths in uk is 82.
and

The disease seems to be less lethal at the moment.

82.4 would take that.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

I got told off for singing the Welsh national anthem in the pub last night. Apparently singing is prohibited because of COVID-19.

I’m assuming you’re on the phase 3 AstraZeneca trials as you seem to be in the pub every day from reading your posts in the last month. I’m just jealous ;)

 

[shemnel]

i want to add some context to this hospitality debate;

the 3% figure is largely based on Acute Respiratory Infection surveillance reports, which report where a location/setting has 2 or more positive cases that are linked to it. This does not tell you how many cases but the type of location that is experiencing cases. Also it is still very hard to link the cases to that location but is the best data available. Furthermore that 3% figure is probably a little out of date now that students are back and the covid landscape has changed.
This is the latest (week39) data for ARI incident surveillance;





To give Mr Whitty something, he is (probably) using the Enhance Test & Trace data, which attempts to track where a person has been who has tested positive. This data is reported and 'Eating Out' plus hospitality buried under 'Other' comes to a shade under 30% of 28,000 locations stated by 14,000 people. Obviously people can state multiple locations, with a mean of only 2 (surprisingly). This absolutely cannot tell you where the infection happened but it can give you an idea of where people are in the 7 days leading up to a positive test.




So, my belief is that 3% is out dated and 30% should NOT be used as the figure for hospitality either. I would say quoting either end of the spectrum is very disingenuous. In reality it's impossible to know the exact figure but 5% to 30% would be your range, in my opinion. Not insignificant.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/923668/Weekly_COVID19_Surveillance_Report_week_40.pdf

personal thought; can't see why hospitality is a bigger target to politicians/media than clothes shopping and all the other shops people go into for whatever reason's (that are beyond me)

 

[Blue Potato]

The FT is behind a pay wall.

The Sun references PHE weekly report, but I can't find in that report the details.

But according to the sun, its the number of "outbreaks" from hospitality. That's competely different to the number of cases.

Would like to see the original source.

(I've genuinely no idea how significant hospitality is in this so interested in the evidence)

Exactly, outbreaks <> viral transmission.

The definition of "outbreaks" means that they will occur in settings where the same people are spending lots of time together (schools, workplaces). The nature of pubs etc. means people are coming and going all the time, hence you get infections but not "outbreaks".

I would guess pubs are also a primary vector of transmission when it comes to the student population passing the virus on to the local general public as well.

Regardless, if hospitality is going to be closed then a comprehensive support package needs to be drawn up and implemented for the industry, and quickly.

 

[Ashleymcduff]

Little humour

 

[blueparrot]

I would guess pubs are also a primary vector of transmission when it comes to the student population passing the virus on to the local general public as well.

This is the crucial thing, students getting it isn't a bad thing as they don't require hospital treatment,usually, as soon as they mix in pubs restaraunts clubs with the general public, it cause transmission to those that either might or live with peple that might. Stopping that cross transmission is crucial to protect hospitals.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I got told off for singing the Welsh national anthem in the pub last night. Apparently singing is prohibited because of COVID-19.

And I suppose we must thank Shagger Giggs for following the Covid protocol - or was it that the Salford lad didn't know one fuckin' syllable from the next of his national anthem?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

That would be using the positive cases as the problem .It isn't the rising number of those that require hospital treatment is the problem. Those people aren't students so forget that is a red herring. Those going to hospital aren't students and those people are contracting it in other places. The evidence shows pubs are a big part of it. As I keep repeating 1 place has closed pubs at the start of a spike, Aberdeen. SAmall sample but it worked and quickly.
When there were 1000 cases in Scotland the other day about 50 were of school age so it isn't happening in schools.

I think the fact that you are referencing an incident from early August, suggests it hasn't been a widespread problem.

 

[inchy14]

I got told off for singing the Welsh national anthem in the pub last night. Apparently singing is prohibited because of COVID-19.

Has been for a while, music isn’t even allowed to be played over 85 decibels as that encourages ‘shouting’ in pubs..... we’re not turning into a nanny state though.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Music free pubs eh?
Not all bad then.