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03 March 2002 said:
Blown hugely out of proportion unfortunately. In analytical science we've been mass transporting samples all over Europe and indeed the world on dry ice for years and years. Anywhere worth mentioning will have several -70c storage freezers. Don't worry about this aspect at all.
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Transportation is okay but keeping the vaccine stable within doctors surgeries and so on where the vaccine could be administered will be problematic. It's the scale that's the problem as I suppose your local doctors will not be able to store thousands of doses at -70c.

It seems obvious that the best way to administer the vaccine is by doing it centrally, maybe with the army helping which sounds to be the plan. The government has a very poor record on managing things so far though so it just looks like a car crash waiting to happen.

We'll see anyway but indeed we do have to hope and be optimistic that it works out.
 
Nothing drastic happened in GM to drive the increase. Some up, some down.

Manchester and Bolton the biggest risers. Stockport did not have such a good day as of late. Trafford had a better one than of late.

Oldham also up and so there are 4 boroughs over 200 or higher today and Manchester back up into the 300s. Wigan down again though.

As expected Stockport passed the 3000 barrier and also lost ground back to Trafford. So GM now has no boroughs in the 2000s. And only 3 in the 3000s. And one of these will be gone from there by early next week.
 
inbetween said:
Transportation is okay but keeping the vaccine stable within doctors surgeries and so on where the vaccine could be administered will be problematic. It's the scale that's the problem as I suppose your local doctors will not be able to store thousands of doses at -70c.

It seems obvious that the best way to administer the vaccine is by doing it centrally, maybe with the army helping which sounds to be the plan. The government has a very poor record on managing things so far though so it just looks like a car crash waiting to happen.

We'll see anyway but indeed we do have to hope and be optimistic that it works out.
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Local doctors won't need to keep it at those low temps.
 
inbetween said:
Transportation is okay but keeping the vaccine stable within doctors surgeries and so on where the vaccine could be administered will be problematic. It's the scale that's the problem as I suppose your local doctors will not be able to store thousands of doses at -70c.

It seems obvious that the best way to administer the vaccine is by doing it centrally, maybe with the army helping which sounds to be the plan. The government has a very poor record on managing things so far though so it just looks like a car crash waiting to happen.

We'll see anyway but indeed we do have to hope and be optimistic that it works out.
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why not set up the nightingales to be mass vaccine facilities instead by that point?
 
inbetween said:
Transportation is okay but keeping the vaccine stable within doctors surgeries and so on where the vaccine could be administered will be problematic. It's the scale that's the problem as I suppose your local doctors will not be able to store thousands of doses at -70c.

It seems obvious that the best way to administer the vaccine is by doing it centrally, maybe with the army helping which sounds to be the plan. The government has a very poor record on managing things so far though so it just looks like a car crash waiting to happen.

We'll see anyway but indeed we do have to hope and be optimistic that it works out.
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It’s been explained why doctors surgeries don’t need the -70, as long as the supply to doctors surgeries, or the vaccination centres is planned and stock controlled to the 5 days when it can be kept in a fridge.
As an aside anyone know what is the minimum temperature it can be injected at ? Wouldn’t have thought it can be too cold.
 
GM scoreboard:

Manchester 310 - up from 253. Total cases 23, 958. Weekly 2151. Pop score up 57 to 4334. Weekly Pop down to 390 - first time Manchester has been below 400 in weeks.

Oldham 230 - up from 174. Total cases 12, 273. Weekly 1508. Pop score up 103 to 5176. Only Blackburn higher today. Weekly Pop big drop to 636 (as 174 and even 230 is far better than the numbers it was scoring a week ago).

Wigan 218 - down from 248. Total cases 13, 746. Weekly 1675. Pop score up 66 to 4182. Weekly Pop down big to 509. Same reasons as Oldham week v week big fall.

Bolton 210 - up from 144. Total cases 12, 712. Weekly 1356. Pop score up 73 to 4421. Weekly Pop down to 472.

Rochdale 173 - up from 139. Total cases10, 315. Weekly 1225. Pop score up 78 to 4638. Weekly Pop down to 551.

Salford 157 - down from 160. Total cases 10, 926. Weekly 1208. Pop score up 60 to 4221. Weekly Pop down to 467. First time in 400s in weeks.

Stockport 151 - up from 123 - third straight rise here. Total cases 8889. Weekly 979. Still well below last week so fell sub 1000 for first time in a while giving GM four now with a sub 1000 weekly case total again. There were none 2 weeks ago. A good measure of how numbers have been falling. And others that used to be higher aee falling towards three figures too from what were around or over 2000 not long ago. Pop score up 51 to enter the 3000 club at 3029 - the last GM borough to exit the lower tier. Weekly Pop down to 333. (Again as cases still lower than last week).

Bury 133 - identical to yesterday. Total cases 8126. Weekly 998. Another to crack the 1000 weekly cases barrier today. Pop score up 70 to 4255. Weekly Pop down to 523.

Tameside 121 - up from 118, Total cases 8708. Weekly 913. Another to go sub 1000. Pop score up 54 to 3845. Weekly Pop down to 403.

Trafford 108 - down from 134. Best in GM again. Total cases 7687. Weekly 893. Sub 900 and lowest in GM still but happily now with 3 companions battling it out. Pop score up 46 Best in GM today. To reach 3239, Gap to Stockport now 210. Weekly Pop down to 377.

The weekly Pop Score of every one of the 10 boroughs fell again today - very clear evidence of the improvement.

But it can easily change in the next few days if numbers continue to rise.
 
Very frustrating to hear Granada Reports make a big deal out of a false truth.

Stating that NW has more people in hospital than at the peak in April today. They said that twice.

But that was yesterday.

No mention of the big fall today which means it is not now correct.

If only you could access the next lottery numbers a day before they become the news.

I get why they want to make a story out of this event but they also said the NW has more patients in than any other region and that is not true either.

It was ALL negative and the news from NW hospitals this week has been quite the opposite of that. Nearly all good.

We seem to be acting on old data and then discovering today's truth a few days late. It mis sells the narrative imo. And drives false steps if you base the truth only on the here and now and not the direction of travel.
 
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