COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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What support for care homes ?testing expanding,huge effort in PPE

Testing in care homes starting late? testing has been going on for a while,huge amount to get to,staff and patients,visitors going on and out has spread it fast,local intelligence vital

Hospices have to rely on charity for PPE and buying on the open market? NHS have guided us to priority areas,will look to include them in the supply chain

Approaching a peak in care homes? R level is coming down ,making sure we keep number of people from going in and out of homes low,visitors etc

Upward revision of care home numbers in future including those not tested? Yes ,there will be an excess number of deaths from the yearly usual numbers and will get a better picture,there will also be deaths from other conditions caused by the crisis(cancer etc)

Five tests,how many tests are we passing ? don't know till we get SAGE data in mid may,nhs has not been overwhelmed though,we have capacity

Virus spreads slower outside ? From study of flu,although not exactly the same,shows ventilation is critical to reduce transmission of viruses so yes

Might it mean outside pursuits will come back soon? SAGE is reviewing everything constantly,it could lead to people congregating so have to be very careful

This will be with us,potentially till we get a vaccine so must be sure in the measures we take

The mail buying in PPE from china? Thanks to them

Outbreaks in care homes ? We have found when older people get this virus they can die quickly,we might not have been able to get in and test first,impossible to say if testing early would have helped

Social distancing in schools? Clear it was right to close schools,complex decisions to decide whether to open,it is being looked daily

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People coming in airports not being tested etc ? No evidence at the moment to say it is needed

Care home patients into empty nightingale hospitals for their safety ? Looking at it constantly,has to not be more damaging and less humane to move them,also need to look at nhs capacity
 
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purplenose said:
Why do you think the Balkan countries seem to have seemed to have done ok in this crisis. I believe Montenegro is opening bars and restaurants on MAy 18th??
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Maybe they are better able to follow their government's instructions! The amount of people in the UK who have been unable to stay at home and not go out needlessly is incredible. Whether you like it or not you can't go to the beach or the park and have a picnic / bbq or sunbathe. That's just the way it is at the moment, it isn't difficult to understand is it? I wonder how many on here will own up to flouting the rules that have been put in place?
 
This is confusing my wifes been of ill as tested positive she did the 2 week isolation and in total was of work 3 weeks.On return to work she was still weak and unwell as work had asked her to return.They then sent her home first day back then i took her for re test yesterday and we are awaiting results.if she tests positive again as she is still just showing symptoms surely this means the virus hasnt left her system. The incubation period to catch is 7 days?.surely this needs looking at we may now have to self exslclude a further 2 weeks and a lot of people will be going round in circles not knowing if there clear.surely the antibody test is the only test that will show properly the true story.
 
birchwoodgingerste said:
This is confusing my wifes been of ill as tested pisituve she did the 2 week isolation andvin tootal was of 3 weeks.On return to work she was still werk and unwell as work had asked her to return.they then sent her home.i took her for re test yesterday and we are awaiting results.if she tests positive again is this still just showi g the virus hasnt left her system as incubation period yo catch is 7 days?.surely this needs looking at we may know have to self exslcude ac further 2 weeks and a lot of people will be going round in circles not knowing if there clear.surely the antibody test is the only test that will show.
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This is exactly what we do not know and we have no antibody test in the world that drs will give individual patient advice based on as to immunity,there are cases of a second infections ,although small but concerning to prof whitty,we also think you are only contagious for one week,please report back what she is told if it comes back positive again,tag me please
 
spoons on about opening up now,when will they bloody realise,how can you observe distance in a pub with a load of pissed up people,hope that brand goes bust
 
marco said:
spoons on about opening up now,when will they bloody realise,how can you observe distance in a pub with a load of pissed up people,hope that brand goes bust
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From the briefing today about outside areas

Might it mean outside pursuits will come back soon? SAGE is reviewing everything constantly,it could lead to people congregating so have to be very careful

That is outside,not even in pubs,if anyone goes to a pub any time soon they are fucking mad
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Not really, but is it that important anymore?

We know it can be a lethal virus, that has an extremely high infection rate and no human has any prior antibodies for it. That's all we really need to know.
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I would think it is very important......if we have an idea of the death rate we have a good idea of how many people have been infected.
 
route46 said:
I would think it is very important......if we have an idea of the death rate we have a good idea of how many people have been infected.
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but we'll have no idea of a death rate until we have a good idea of those that are and have been infected. Can't work the other way round.
 
BlueAnorak said:
The total tests done yesterday should be 55,152
818,539 (today's total) - 763,387 (yesterday's total)

Also of todays death total 765,
601 are in hospital, 164 are in other care settings.

It also means excess UK deaths (from COVID-19) are tracking at about 20%. Whether all excess deaths (from all causes) remains at 37% will depend on next weeks ONS figures. (Source: ONS)

For reference the all excess deaths percentages for European countries, were: italy +90%, Belgium +60% Spain +51% Netherlands +42%, France +34% and Switzerland +24%for the last reporting periods we have data for. (Source FT).
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This has been updated today, I assume they are using figures released by the ONS yesterday for us. We’re still climbing, although I think there’s belief we will see a fall in next Tuesdays figures.

 
karen7 said:
From the briefing today about outside areas

Might it mean outside pursuits will come back soon? SAGE is reviewing everything constantly,it could lead to people congregating so have to be very careful

That is outside,not even in pubs,if anyone goes to a pub any time soon they are fucking mad
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correct , though one of the idiot jounalists asking about beer gardens if they are outside opening, doesnt help.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
So there was actually 765 deaths recorded yesterday?, which probably means we had a few weeks at over 1,000

Its awfull looking at this through numbers, but it really does paint a grim picture. 26,000 is horrific
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Yep horrific. It's a pandemic.
The total excess deaths from ONS will be the number to look for though. 10 days ago it was 37%
The latest figures elsewhere in Europe that we have dates for are Italy 90%, Belgium 60%, Spain 51%, Netherlands 42%, UK 37%, France 34%, Switzerland 24%.
 
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