COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Mr Coopz]

My hospital here in Leeds is getting scary now tbh, and it’s not even winter yet. Don’t think people realise just how bad it is on the frontline at minute, and it’s only going to get worse. I’m genuinely scared of what’s to come. If we don’t have a vaccine that is even only able to be offered to small pockets of people with good efficiency, we are well and truly stuck in a rut.

 

[crublue1]

My old man wants to come over Saturday to watch the footie (he is tier 2) i'm tier 1 ... had to tell him he can't. felt a bit bad :(

My dad has dementia, i'd love it if he asked if he could come round to mine to watch the game.
Unfortunately he barely knows i'm his son these days, so my advice, for what it's worth, is spend as much time as you can with him.
Fuck this virus, take precautions but be with each other and enjoy.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Cornwall, as i have said before, is very low so they do not need to be included, it mostly shuts down in winter and you could have a no going into cornwall except for work and emergencies , nothing about this makes mehappy , winter was always, as i also kept saying , going to be the worst time , protect life or we will be looking at a worse toll than before if over a flatter but longer time

Ok so you dont want a national lockdown then. What other areas shouldnt be included? Devon, Hampshire, East Anglia?

 

[mosssideblue]

Ok so you dont want a national lockdown then. What other areas shouldnt be included? Devon, Hampshire, East Anglia?

What's your solution? As I see it, we either lock the whole country down and enforce it or we continue infinitum as people continue to do as they please

 

[mcfc1632]

Not really been on the thread regular since the early summer - but during the spring and early summer I found this a really helpful place to get information and insights - certainly once all the political activists were purged to the other thread.

I still pop on every now and then - but need to read every 10th or 20th page to make catching up at all possible - and it is still a good and helpful thread IMO.

So I just want to 'float a view' and I know that there will be different views about this - so please don't just shoot me down.

But - I cannot see the why there is all this clamour for a national lockdown - or, as I heard today, a campaign for all the UK to be treated the same over the Xmas break

Of course - I get the clinical view that a lockdown for a few weeks will act as a 'something of a firebreak' - but surely the decision has to be drawn from a number of factors - and that is just one.

Of course - if there was some certainty that such an action would stop a wave 2 I would support it - but this virus is not going to disappear out of circulation any time soon and we surely need, until a vaccine comes along, to find a method of 'living with it'

This government has been majorly incompetent - but I sort of get this tiering policy - and it seems to make sense and to be practicable (if they could only make the rules clear and communicate them effectively)

The economy can recover from what has taken place - but repeated national lockdowns will surely make that recovery many times harder and longer.

Surely the majority of people can see that the country cannot afford that. If we take actions on the tiering basis then we have local shocks and then afterwards controlled local recoveries - and funding will be better used as it can be made available to those most directly affected at the time they most need it.

As an aside - a simple repeat of the previous furlough funding would be crazy - IMO. I know so many small businesses and people in the building trade that took the lump sums in a manner that was clearly them milking the system.

Also - how long a national lockdown? Do we end on some basis of when pre-determined criteria is achieved on infections? If so - we could be in lockdown for months.

Do we do it for 2, 3 or 4 weeks etc. If so why would that be most effective? - some places may have been better served for a longer period and we may have reduced the period just because it has been a national lockdown.

As I say we need to find the way to live with it and, unfortunately, we cannot simply hide from it until it goes away - I wish we could. So a process of local lockdowns and local release from lockdowns based on criteria being achieved just seems sensible to me

Anyway - just a viewpoint

 

[kaz7]

Ok so you dont want a national lockdown then. What other areas shouldnt be included? Devon, Hampshire, East Anglia?

Only cornwall is very low and as a region can be protected given there is only a couple of ways in and out , it is easily protected from the rest of england

 

[Healdplace]

thought i'd pop my head above the parapet as some might well find this of interest. a study into the methods that have been used to control the virus, a discussion as to how there is currently no evidence as to which ones work, which ones don't, and a suggested strategy as to how that evidence could be gathered to avoid imposing restrictions on the public which may potentially be only harmful
https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...nterventions/3DB09A20E17BF067775E5945B2E6E243

Good to see you back and I look forward to reading that this evening.

Any thoughts on if the numbers are following the track you expected a month ago and if the months of deaths at 400 + being talked about by some now is what to expect this Winter?

I hope not. But it is not obviously looking impossible as we stand. Already exceeded my expectations, sadly. But hopefully it has not much higher to go. Though it seems expected to stay high for longer than in April.

 

[mcfc1632]

My dad has dementia, i'd love it if he asked if he could come round to mine to watch the game.
Unfortunately he barely knows i'm his son these days, so my advice, for what it's worth, is spend as much time as you can with him.
Fuck this virus, take precautions but be with each other and enjoy.

I tend to agree with that view - you can take great care

I will have a delicate decision to make over Xmas - my 94 year old dad is due to come to visit for a couple of weeks and he lives in Shaw.

I cannot conceive that he will be left alone over Xmas

 

[Healdplace]

The 174 England hospital deaths were aged between 33 and 102.

All but 4 of them (aged 61 to 87) had previously known underlying health conditions.

 

[i8rags]

My old man wants to come over Saturday to watch the footie (he is tier 2) i'm tier 1 ... had to tell him he can't. felt a bit bad :(

Is he not in your bubble.

 

[kaz7]

Not really been on the thread regular since the early summer - but during the spring and early summer I found this a really helpful place to get information and insights - certainly once all the political activists were purged to the other thread.

I still pop on every now and then - but need to read every 10th or 20th page to make catching up at all possible - and it is still a good and helpful thread IMO.

So I just want to 'float a view' and I know that there will be different views about this - so please don't just shoot me down.

But - I cannot see the why there is all this clamour for a national lockdown - or, as I heard today, a campaign for all the UK to be treated the same over the Xmas break

Of course - I get the clinical view that a lockdown for a few weeks will act as a 'something of a firebreak' - but surely the decision has to be drawn from a number of factors - and that is just one.

Of course - if there was some certainty that such an action would stop a wave 2 I would support it - but this virus is not going to disappear out of circulation any time soon and we surely need, until a vaccine comes along, to find a method of 'living with it'

This government has been majorly incompetent - but I sort of get this tiering policy - and it seems to make sense and to be practicable (if they could only make the rules clear and communicate them effectively)

The economy can recover from what has taken place - but repeated national lockdowns will surely make that recovery many times harder and longer.

Surely the majority of people can see that the country cannot afford that. If we take actions on the tiering basis then we have local shocks and then afterwards controlled local recoveries - and funding will be better used as it can be made available to those most directly affected at the time they most need it.

As an aside - I simple repeat of the previous furlough funding would be crazy - IMO. I know so many small businesses and people in the building trade that took the lump sums in a manner that was clearly them milking the system.

Also - how long a national lockdown? Do we end on some basis pre-determined criteria is achieved on infections? If so we could be in lockdown for months.

Do we do it for 2, 3 or 4 weeks etc. If so why would that be most effective - some places may have been better served for a longer period and we may have reduced the period just because it has been a national lockdown.

As I say we need to find the way to live with it and, unfortunately, we cannot simply hide from it until it goes away - I wish we could. So a process of local lockdowns and local release from lockdowns based on criteria being achieved just seems sensible to me

Anyway - just a viewpoint

The way to live with it is to supress it as much as possible throughout the winter , the nhs gets really stretched in winter normally , add covid and it could literally collapse , we have to consider the front line workers as well, no solution is great, depends on what you value higher , life or the economy , the economy can recover , businesses can diversify , i would rather be out of work for a while than dead

The tier system is not what sage have advised, it is a clusterfuck , we need a clear message, a firebreak where everyone knows what the score is , use the time to sort out track and trace , fire harding and get someone competent in, have a proper exit plan not free for all that was the exit plan in the summer

Tier whatever plus , back to one metre plus but not two metres, god give me strength

 

[BlueHammer85]

Is he not in your bubble.

only see him once every couple months... could i class him as a bubble ?

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital data up to yesterday out. Not good.

Up 717 in one day. The most yet in the second wave.

To 8171.

Last time we were there in wave 1 was 13 May - 5 days back from where we were matching yesterday.

 

[Healdplace]

Ventilators too up big from 681 to 742 in a day. We were last at that number on 26 May. Just one day further back than yesterday. So thankfully ventilated patients still not rising as fast as hospital patients with Covid are.

 

[kaz7]

England hospital data up to yesterday out. Not good.

Up 717 in one day. The most yet in the second wave.

To 8171.

Last time we were there in wave 1 was 13 May - 5 days back from where we were matching yesterday.

717 in one day ? Shit

 

[Healdplace]

There are also now over 10,000 people in hospital in the UK for the first time since 13 May.

 

[Healdplace]

Cases 24, 701 = up 1816 on yesterday v last week 26, 688 - which is good news.

256, 937 pillar 1 & 2 tests yesterday v 258, 620 a week ago.

All settings deaths 310 v 191 last week.

 

[bluejon]

Good to see you back and I look forward to reading that this evening.

Any thoughts on if the numbers are following the track you expected a month ago and if the months of deaths at 400 + being talked about by some now is what to expect this Winter?

I hope not. But it is not obviously looking impossible as we stand. Already exceeded my expectations, sadly. But hopefully it has not much higher to go. Though it seems expected to stay high for longer than in April.

The numbers are higher than I was hoping for, but well within what was possible. We shall see. What I do know is that on a national basis we are currently well within the amount of expected deaths for this time of year, although I've been trying to find those numbers for the different regions and can't. I am still firmly of the opinion we have massively over-reacted to this. The young are never going to forgive what is being done to them, and I don't blame them.

 

[crublue1]

I tend to agree with that view - you can take great care

I will have a delicate decision to make over Xmas - my 94 year old dad is due to come to visit for a couple of weeks and he lives in Shaw.

I cannot conceive that he will be left alone over Xmas

Not a delicate decision in my book.
94 years of age. He's coming for christmas. End of.
Any objections to be filed in the uncompassionate twat bin of uncompassionateless twats.
Enjoy your xmas mate

 

[artfuldodger]

only see him once every couple months... could i class him as a bubble ?

if he’s on his own then yes.