COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueAnorak]

Is the level of people ignoring the rules generally that bad??

I see lots of posts on here commenting about selfish bastards that simply refuse to obey the rules.

Where I live I see hardly any failures to observe the rules

Is it really that bad?

In a word, Yes.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Do you not apportion any blame to those passing on the virus?

Different issue here, sorry I got side tracked. I am against final year exams this year simply because different kids are getting different levels of teaching depending on where they live and how prevalent the virus is. Three weeks of extra tuition for all, which is Gavin Williamson's idea, cannot level the playing field. He is not up to the job and i have written to my local MP to tell her that twice.

I don't have any issue at all with her self isolating. We religiously abide by all rules and are extra careful in our household One of my daughters has had this virus and very sadly my mother in law died of it in the spring.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Even the German Track and Trace system seems to have broken according to Merkel, they were praised for it through much of the year, and it's more "local" than ours can be (without a major rethink here), but she's admitted it's not working, with current case numbers, I'd say it's pretty impossible to fix ours, and even if it had been perfect, it would have been falling apart by now.

It can't be fixed unless you use mobile phone and card payment tracking technology as South Korea, Taiwan and Japan have done.
We haven't so we won't.

 

[Healdplace]

GM scoreboard:

Manchester 441 - up from 437. Total cases 19,146. Weekly 2725. Pop score up 80 to enter the 3400 club at 3463. Weekly Pop down 10 to 493.

Wigan 335 - down from 394. Total cases 9811. Weekly 2220. New record. Pop score up 102 to enter the 2900 club at 2985. Will be the next to enter the 3000s tomorrow. Weekly Pop up 6 to 675.

Oldham 306 - up from 238. Total cases 8893. Weekly 1667. Pop score up a huge 129 (new record) to enter the 3700 club at 3751. Weekly Pop score up 23 to be first GM borough into the 700s at 703 and in the top 3 worst in the UK.

Bolton 256 - down from 265. Total cases 9746. Weekly 1663. Pop score up 89 to 3389. Weekly Pop up 9 to 578.

Rochdale 238 - up from 232. Total cases 7777. Weekly 1344. Pop score up 107 to enter the 3400 club at 3497. Weekly Pop actually fell slightly to 605.

Stockport 236 - up from 202 to new record here. Three consecutive in 200s and 50% increase in a week. Total cases 6621. Weekly 1289. Highest ever weekly numbers. Total up by a third in under a week. Pop score up by 80 - a record for here - to enter the 2200 club at 2256 just 3 days after entering the 2000s. Weekly Pop up biggest in GM today to 435 a 40% rise in past week showing it is the current borough in most need of concern. This is how Bolton started.

Salford 227 - big fall from 293. First time Salford has been below Stockport in weeks. Total cases 8047. Weekly 1556. Pop score up 88 to enter 3100 club at 3109. Weekly Pop down to 601.

Tameside 186 - down from 200. Total cases 6576. Weekly 1194. Pop score up 82 to enter the 2900 club at 2903. Weekly Pop 527.

Bury 163 - down from 174. Total cases 5996. Weekly 1054. Pop score up 85 to enter the 3100 club at 3139. Weekly Pop stable at 551.

Trafford 141 - down from 171. With Bury the only town not to have crossed the 200 boundary. Yet. Total cases 5817, Weekly 1026. Best in GM. Pop score up 60 to enter the 2400 club at 2451. Lowest rise in GM today and made up a whopping 20 points on Stockport in the chase for top Pop Score in GM which has long looked a lost cause. Gap now 195. Weekly Pop 432. Meaning it takes over from Stockport as having the lowest current Pop score in GM.

All in all a very good day for Trafford - right now the only borough seemingly in any control of things. Worth trying to find out what they are doing right.

Though, of course, this can change quickly over coming days.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

On that basis, no

I'm genuinely interested as to why you have said no?

Is it liberal leanings that make you think everyone should be treated the same and we should all be brought down to the lowest common dominator so to speak? Bad choice of words sorry. We are all in it together?

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Seems Germany who were praised at the start of the outbreak for their rapid lock down and track and trace system, are admitting this may have only put off/delayed the inevitable spread. Just reading they feel they are now still at the start of it with worse to come. Numbers are rising rapidly despite having all the measures they had at the start plus new methods/data.

Reading up on how they reacted at the start, it would seem the only way to reduce the R number effectively is a total lock down again. But that then just puts it off.
If Germany is now struggling (and are deemed to have done everything correctly)it makes you question how much Track and Trace, bubbles and masks really help.
I assume they help lessen the burden on hospitals at least.

An effective vaccine appears to be the only solution long term. This also depending on how long they last as well.

The have worked fantastically well in the Far East. Maybe European people are just not compliant enough. I think it’s almost inevitable the way things are going that we will be under some new lockdown in the next 3-4 weeks. Is Tier 3 strong enough? I’m not sure.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Invest in one of these. Highly accurate and an early indicator of a drop in blood oxygen levels.

 

[Healdplace]

Is this figure right? 376 deaths yesterday?

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United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

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It was 367 not 376. That was the all settings death number in UK yesterday.

I post it every evening about 4 pm in here when it is released.

It was 310 today.

 

[kaz7]

Invest in one of these. Highly accurate and an early indicator of a drop in blood oxygen levels.

I have one of those now since mine dropped to ninety in hospital . One of interesting things they are finding in icu is that patients with really low levels like low eighties can look fine , chatting and not breathless , it is a strange phenomamon( sp)

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I have one of those now since mine dropped to ninety in hospital . One of interesting things they are finding in icu is that patients with really low levels like low eighties can look fine , chatting and not breathless , it is a strange phenomamon( sp)

what does it idealy need to be at Kaz+