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Regional scoreboard shows everywhere up a small amount with NW still in second place. NE has fallen again to its lowest in a long time though.

And London goes up the most and has nearly 1000 more cases than the NW today.

Remind me who is in tier 2?
 
London 2614 - up from 1964

Midlands 1495 - up from 1435.

North East 590 - down from 638.

Yorkshire 1347 - up from 1237


And North West 1719 - up from 1689.

Andy Burnham will be twittering on this no doubt. Just 30 of the 3000 + extra cases today from the NW. Whilst 650 are from London.
 
I think it would help everyone’s sanity if they just assume that deaths will stay high until late spring, primarily because that’s what always happens every winter and whilst deaths ‘with covid particles present’ are being tracked rather than deaths caused directly by covid, it is inevitable deaths will remain high imo.

Even once vulnerable people are vaccinated, they could quite easily die of something else but still be recorded as a covid death. Cue mass hysteria from the media throwing doubt on the vaccines.

PS - I am pro-vaccine but can see the above coming a mile off because the media are living off the hysteria and will struggle to let it all go.
 
The other concern I have is that we don't know if vaccines stop the spread as yet. If they do - great! 'Cases' will come down to zero and the government will have a way out, albeit over a long period. If the vaccines do not stop the transmission but do stop people from developing illness, the government will have to change the way they record deaths away from 'died WITH covid particles' or else it is a never ending circle.

It is the folly of labelling perfectly health people who generate a covid positive test on a highly sensitive method as cases. This will be exacerbated by mess testing which with a 1% false positive rate will still show 10,000 cases even if nobody has the virus! Perhaps a move back to testing only those that get ill would become appropriate.

I hope I'm wrong but it will take a shift from the government to a more accurate method of reporting and tracking the effects of covid itself for them to have a way out. My hunch is things will co-incidentally end around the same time as the flu season ends.

JVT on now - really like this guy.
 
The other concern I have is that we don't know if vaccines stop the spread as yet. If they do - great! 'Cases' will come down to zero and the government will have a way out, albeit over a long period. If the vaccines do not stop the transmission but do stop people from developing illness, the government will have to change the way they record deaths away from 'died WITH covid particles' or else it is a never ending circle.

It is the folly of labelling perfectly health people who generate a covid positive test on a highly sensitive method as cases. This will be exacerbated by mess testing which with a 1% false positive rate will still show 10,000 cases even if nobody has the virus! Perhaps a move back to testing only those that get ill would become appropriate.

I hope I'm wrong but it will take a shift from the government to a more accurate method of reporting and tracking the effects of covid itself for them to have a way out. My hunch is things will co-incidentally end around the same time as the flu season ends.

JVT on now - really like this guy.
Your theory requires a shift from the Government and the NHS because it assumes the collusion of the majority of the medical profession.

The reality is that vaccine(s) will drive down the number of Covid cases and the serious harm the virus is doing to people within the next few months.
 
So the Tories are trying to exploit the vaccine for political gain. What a shock!!

Neither are correct to be honest. Most of the world is aligned in their approach to authorisation (why would you not be?). Our standards aren't centralised, granted, but they may as well be in terms of similarity.

Only exceptions being Japan and somewhat China.
 
The reality is that vaccine(s) will drive down the number of Covid cases and the serious harm the virus is doing to people within the next few months.

That's my point, if it doesn't stop transmission (which JVT has just said we don't know yet) then presumably under the current way of measuring cases it may not reduce them even if it does stop people getting ill as a result of covid? It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a concern - no mention of collusion.
 
Assuming the new vaccine which is to be given in stages to the population of the UK [if there is enough to go around and if it is effective], then when can we ditch the face masks? Will it be a kept instruction until the last person is injected or will masks remain a legal requirement for those people at the back end of the queue only?
I’m guessing but imagine face coverings will be mandatory for a few more months. The vaccination programme will take some time and, even then, none of the vaccines are 100% effective. We don’t know what the uptake will be either. No doubt there will be a significant minority of conspiracy theorists and other doubters and it would appear that the government won’t use coercionary tactics.

The authorities will no doubt monitor progress closely and take a pragmatic decision based on case numbers, infection rates and other data.

It’s no big deal to wear them in the meantime and err on the cautious side IMO. This has been a bastard and we shouldn’t get complacent.
 
GM % of NW total rises today to 47% after reaching a low point yesterday.

807 cases today - up from 731 yesterday.

Not a big increase given the cases increase for the UK.

Wigan back over 100 but 5 boroughs up and 5 are actually lower today than yesterday.
 
And as expected the BBC on their coverage of the 5 pm Boris conference on live mention the big rise in cases but no mention of the massive jump in testing that means there were fewer positive tests today than yesterday. Which deserves at least a mention.
The bbc do anything to put a negative spin on things. Poor jounalism when the country needs considered inteligent positive reporting.
 
England hospital data also updated over 2 days.

Patients down from 12, 825 to 12, 609. It was 13, 587 a week ago so fallen almost 1000 in seven days.

Ventilators down from 1241 to 1185. It was 1306 a week ago so fallen 121 in a week.

These are very promising added reasons to be hopeful.

Though what happens now we are out of lockdown and into tiers is hard to judge before Christmas where it is all but impossible not to see a spike happening.
 
I think it would help everyone’s sanity if they just assume that deaths will stay high until late spring, primarily because that’s what always happens every winter and whilst deaths ‘with covid particles present’ are being tracked rather than deaths caused directly by covid, it is inevitable deaths will remain high imo.

Even once vulnerable people are vaccinated, they could quite easily die of something else but still be recorded as a covid death. Cue mass hysteria from the media throwing doubt on the vaccines.

PS - I am pro-vaccine but can see the above coming a mile off because the media are living off the hysteria and will struggle to let it all go.

I read a while ago that the 2nd wave is likely to be worse than the first wave with regard to the overall number of deaths, although it said that the numbers would be lower but over a longer period. I have kept this in mind over the last 5 or 6 weeks and it seems to ring true so far.
 
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