COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[EnzoMCFC]

Can someone help me with the rules please.
My girlfriend is in a tier 4 area (northwich)
I am Trafford (tier 4). We both live alone and have formed a support bubble.
I wanted to spend NYE with her tomorrow evening. I've looked at the rules and I'm not sure whether I am allowed to go.
It mentions if you form a support bubble you can meet am I correct?

Someone once mentioned something about pictures, sure that would help with advice

 

[Manc in London]

Not that this is some kind of revelation, infact it's exactly what those on here have been saying for some time, but nice to hear it from Devi Sridhar too. She's been consistently clear throughout all of this, one of two or three "go to's" on social media for factual, logical information.

She is fit too, which is a bonus. So is the blonde, Eastern European virology expert from the University of Oxford.

 

[twosips]

Can someone help me with the rules please.
My girlfriend is in a tier 4 area (northwich)
I am Trafford (tier 4). We both live alone and have formed a support bubble.
I wanted to spend NYE with her tomorrow evening. I've looked at the rules and I'm not sure whether I am allowed to go.
It mentions if you form a support bubble you can meet am I correct?

Mate, at this point you may as well just go for it. I'm sure some will disagree, but if its just the two of you, you trust your own judgement and you've been sensible then who can really blame you?

 

[Summerbuzz]

Sprint didn’t bring a cessation in 2020 though. Do you mean summer?

uhh... the 'true' definition of Spring is the sort of stupid question I'm still deliberating in my 40's.

I'm thinking May, maybe April. But any improvement in the weather is likely to have a positive effect. I'm worried that whatever benefit we get from our vaccination efforts, plus residual but temporary immunity, and epidemiological dynamics, will be enough to convince people it's a done deal. Whereas the actual goal is to achieve a high level of ongoing immunity from the vaccination. Anything else will fall apart over time. Can see the same scenario unfolding next winter. Sept, Oct, 'Herd immunity! No fourth wave!' Nov, 'The Fourth wave is here!'.

I'm saying, the government PHS and NHS have a job to do. It's a difficult task. Right now, we are getting positive news. Big targets in delivery. And even speculative comments from Papers and others, on very positive outcomes. First they have to deliver - safe bet is that there will be setbacks. There always are. Moreover, we've not seen this government deliver anything on this scale or complexity. Secondly, the vaccine has to deliver in the field. And then it all has to be maintained.

What's going to happen - I'm afraid I almost see this as inevitable - is that they will keep changing the targets (not always without reason). They'll dress it up, confusingly, positively, in true statistics for salesmen style. The public won't be able to follow clearly. The real number of immunisations will likely be far below some people's perception.

But case numbers, hospital patients and deaths will improve greatly as we move out of winter. And they'll use that to dissuade further scrutiny of the delilvery, and efficacy. Because that's what's happened so far. People want to believe it's being dealt with, they get the idea it is, and those who don't, are left with a mountain of criticism from one quarter for raising doubts - and without the hard information to build an compelling case that there is anything more than 'doubt' and 'worry' at play.

The public perception and desire to return to normality and end the worry will be enough for the Govt to claim a job done.

In other words, if we don't get scrutiny, transparency, or clarity - which we never do - we just won't know until November, into December.

Even widespread antibody testing will only provide partial information of immunity.

If that looks great, people won't ask if that's due to other factors. 'Job done, move on'.

And if it doesn't, it'll be put down to other factors. Or simply ignored as inadequate to justify real concern.

Because like last summer, and autumn, no-one will see the virus. And people won't want to remember it or worry any more. Let alone volunteer for restrictions. No chance.

Without a miracle (government delivering exceptional service - sound realistic?) - and without a real political push for transparency and hard scrutiny (simply not happening as long as Boris has political capital - even if he doesn't, the select committees and so forth have not been penetrating) - that's where we will be.

 

[hammocity]

As expected they are idiots who deserve everything they get coming to them after this is over.

They stick to ideology and do things that drive disobedience from the perceived unfairness.

And they have so many different rules now nobody knows what they are or can be bothered to find out.

These tiers are a ridiculous mess that is never going to work because it incites all the ones frustrated enough to abuse a system that is unenforceable across borders in large populations.

Liverpool might think they have just got lucky. In fact they will see many of their citizens get sick and die and wake up too late to what a mistake this was to be the teacher's pet.

Awaits litigation and a call from the Merseyside Boroughs asking for a Public Enquiry as to why the Government didn't protect them.

Also, long Covid expected to affect approximately 1 in 20, think those figures may be higher in Dipperville if there's any benefits to be had.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Mate, at this point you may as well just go for it. I'm sure some will disagree, but if its just the two of you, you trust your own judgement and you've been sensible then who can really blame you?

I'm just tired of it all now.
My mental health has been shot for months.

 

[Gray]

Stop fannying about and get those Scouse Twats into tier 4.

 

[Marvin]

Can someone help me with the rules please.
My girlfriend is in a tier 4 area (northwich)
I am Trafford (tier 4). We both live alone and have formed a support bubble.
I wanted to spend NYE with her tomorrow evening. I've looked at the rules and I'm not sure whether I am allowed to go.
It mentions if you form a support bubble you can meet am I correct?

I think you can meet people in your support bubble.

 

[shemnel]

For those looking for the rules;

Living safely with respiratory infections, including COVID-19

Guidance for living safely with respiratory infections, including coronavirus (COVID-19).

www.gov.uk

You can still meet one person outside, and your support bubble inside

To be honest I'm not 100% sure what is different to tier 3, aside from knocking some sport on the head?

I'm thinking of forming a bubble too now, for the last stretch, haven't done it all year

 

[BLUEMATT23]

I think you can meet people in your support bubble.

Thank you