Covid: Personal views

[domalino]

several posts ago you noted it was held up because people weren't being infected. So which is it...either it's immunity with data so they can prove it works, or they can't prove it works because people aren't being infected. You don't need Human Challenge trials if you can prove immunity already.

It's both...

The delay was because people weren't getting infected. Because only 0.014% of the population is in the trial, and only about 0.01-0.02% of the population gets Covid-19 each day. The chances of the people in the trial getting infected is very, very small.

So after a long delay waiting for enough people to get infected, they open up the results and see one of the reasons it's been slow is that half the people in the trial couldn't get Covid-19 because the vaccine works.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Yeah, no idea at all. Other than 10x as many people catching it on the placebo arm as the active, that is...

I quote what's posted. If you have further evidence, post it for people to read instead of being snarky.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

It's a spectrum isn't it? anti-vax goes to distrust goes to caution goes to blind faith. Some people are verging towards anti-vax.

The historical risk of something going wrong from a vaccine is infinitely smaller than the risk of dying from covid.

Bang on.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I quote what's posted. If you have further evidence, post it for people to read instead of being snarky.

You said we have "no idea how useful it actually is".

I pointed out that we know it prevents 90% of cases (subject to independent review of course), so we have a very good idea.

Please explain why you believe we have "no idea how useful it actually is".

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

It's both...

The delay was because people weren't getting infected. Because only 0.014% of the population is in the trial, and only about 0.01-0.02% of the population gets Covid-19 each day.

So after a long delay waiting for enough people to get infected, they open up the results and see the reason it's been slow is that half the people in the trial couldn't get Covid-19 because the vaccine works.

well, that's different, isn't it. It's a tiny fraction of the population so how representative would be my next question, but it's a lot different to how the post I first quoted came across. You may well have noted it before but life dictates you pop into a thread and pick up the recent posts and go off that sometimes. I defer to people with more knowledge on the subject but I took your post at face value.

 

[grunge]

I don't see anyone on here being "anti vax", what i see are people with wanting to be convinced of its safety before having it. Big difference imo,

Yep. Personally im extremely pro vaccine but I probably wont take it in the 1st round of these ones ( although that will probably be reserved for front line anyways ). But I absolutely will take it in the long run.

Same way I never update software in the 1st few weeks or buy hardware on launch day. give it a month for the teething issues of big scale live "tests" to show if there is anything that wasn't found in testing.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

You said we have "no idea how useful it actually is".

I pointed out that we know it prevents 90% of cases (subject to independent review of course), so we have a very good idea.

Please explain why you believe we have "no idea how useful it actually is".

because the person I quoted said the issue was not enough people were being infected. If people who've had a vaccine don't then demonstrate it works by being infected then then you can't show how useful it is.

Anyway, it's since been cleared up.

 

[mosssideblue]

Yep. Personally im extremely pro vaccine but I probably wont take it in the 1st round of these ones ( although that will probably be reserved for front line anyways ). But I absolutely will take it in the long run.

Same way I never update software in the 1st few weeks or buy hardware on launch day. give it a month for the teething issues of big scale live "tests" to show if there is anything that wasn't found in testing.

A common sense view, thank you.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Yep. Personally im extremely pro vaccine but I probably wont take it in the 1st round of these ones ( although that will probably be reserved for front line anyways ). But I absolutely will take it in the long run.

Same way I never update software in the 1st few weeks or buy hardware on launch day. give it a month for the teething issues of big scale live "tests" to show if there is anything that wasn't found in testing.

same way I'm waiting till a while after launch before buying a PS5, I'm happy to see it working in other people and the issues ironed out and see there's no unforeseen effects in similar people to myself and therefore have re-assurance about it. Given I'm in category 947 on the waiting list that's an inevitable perk anyway.

 

[domalino]

Yep. Personally im extremely pro vaccine but I probably wont take it in the 1st round of these ones ( although that will probably be reserved for front line anyways ). But I absolutely will take it in the long run.

Same way I never update software in the 1st few weeks or buy hardware on launch day. give it a month for the teething issues of big scale live "tests" to show if there is anything that wasn't found in testing.

This is sensible. It all boils down to risk vs. reward.

If you're on the frontline, or you're 85 or have a pre-existing condition which makes your chances of surviving covid-19 much lower than normal, the relative risk of the vaccine is so low it's worth taking ASAP.

And if you're a fit and healthy 20-something, the risk of serious covid complications is so low that it makes sense to wait and make sure the vaccine has no risk at all - which is what you'll be forced to do anyway because supply will be an issue.

The most important thing is that the people who are at risk of serious covid illness get vaccinated as soon as safely possible, and then the number of deaths will plummet and we can start to get back to normal while we wait for everyone to get vaccinated.