Covid

[Big Joe Corrigan]

That's not what the UK government data shows. I think excess mortality was 2% for 2023 with the second half of the year actually having a death rate lower than the expected baseline. Always happy to be corrected if you have a better data source?

No room for that sort of factual post on this thread mate.

 

[WickyWain]

Even if this was true, why would it mean that the vaccines are at fault and not COVID itself?

It is a proven fact that first hand COVID infections are the cause of a massive array of health problems. In 2020 upto 30% of people who were ill enough to go to A&E with COVID were presenting with blood clots. Many also had MRI confirmed heart damage which is a known contributing factor in long-COVID. This is before the vaccines existed.

It therefore surely makes sense that for example a past serious COVID infection and its complications are likely to increase your risk of a heart attack in the future?

Makes you think.

 

[jonny689]

That's not what the UK government data shows. I think excess mortality was 2% for 2023 with the second half of the year actually having a death rate lower than the expected baseline. Always happy to be corrected if you have a better data source?

Yeah no worries, doctor John Campbell lays it out pretty well in this video.

 

[inbetween]

Yeah no worries, doctor John Campbell lays it out pretty well in this video.

As already mentioned, this talks of excess deaths data, it doesn't talk about the cause for those excess deaths.

Anybody can however pull out of their arse the cause whether that's the vaccines, 5G masts or even the air that we breathe...

There is no evidence that the vaccines have contributed to any amount of excess deaths. There is however PLENTY of evidence for other causes and if somebody doesn't account for that data then they're not credible.

 

[grunge]

Yeah no worries, doctor John Campbell lays it out pretty well in this video.

Are people still listening to this crackpot. He was decent at the start then seems to just be a click hunting youtuber after cash now.

 

[jonny689]

As already mentioned, this talks of excess deaths data, it doesn't talk about the cause for those excess deaths.

Anybody can however pull out of their arse the cause whether that's the vaccines, 5G masts or even the air that we breathe...

There is no evidence that the vaccines have contributed to any amount of excess deaths. There is however PLENTY of evidence for other causes and if somebody doesn't account for that data then they're not credible.

That’s true, just putting the information out there.

It would be extremely coincidental regarding timings if there were no links between the roll out and excess deaths imo.

 

[jonny689]

Are people still listening to this crackpot. He was decent at the start then seems to just be a click hunting youtuber after cash now.

I believe him to be a credible doctor who actually took the vaccines himself and has changed his initial opinions due to his own research of the data available.

Also his channel is demonetised so financial gain is seemingly not the reason for his videos, maybe watch and learn instead of blindly dismissing?!

 

[threespires]

Yeah no worries, doctor John Campbell lays it out pretty well in this video.

I didn't think he was viewed as a scientifically credible source? He's not a medical doctor, his background was as a nurse educator with his doctorate being in effect on e-learning rather than anything medical. Hes not a trained research scientist in this space and he's been called out multiple times for misuse of data and information. I have no idea whether he's well intentioned or is a youtuber focused on monetisation but he doesn't seem like a reliable source of analysis. YouTube can be a great resource but it can also be pretty iffy too. He comes across as quite serious and plausible but the things I look at with a Youtuber are (1) are their qualifications/experience relevant to what they are talking about (2) has what they are saying been subject to some form of peer review (3) what level of regulation/consequence are they subject to it they misinform people either accidentally or deliberately. I can guess but can't really judge their intentions good or bad so I tend to focus on those prior three things and he doesn't pass muster for me on those.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Yeah no worries, doctor John Campbell lays it out pretty well in this video.

He's not a medical doctor. He is a retired nurse and nursing lecturer/trainer and possesses a doctorate.

Even most consultants in infectious diseases wouldn't start YouTube channels, especially talking about subjects that they have no speciality in.

It's unprofessional and it's unethical.

He knew his stuff on some earlier videos but it's clear he doesn't on many other videos and his audience don't possess enough insight to realise this.

He isn't an expert.

 

[threespires]

I believe him to be a credible doctor who actually took the vaccines himself and has changed his initial opinions due to his own research of the data available.

Also his channel is demonetised so financial gain is seemingly not the reason for his videos, maybe watch and learn instead of blindly dismissing?!

See my post, which crossed over with yours. He isn't a credible doctor that's not his background. Coincidentally I work in Edtech currently with an emphasis on Nursing, so actually his and mine backgrounds are a bit similar. But I'm damn sure I wouldn't take advice from me on this subject :-)

 

[Gremlin]

That’s true, just putting the information out there.

It would be extremely coincidental regarding timings if there were no links between the roll out and excess deaths imo.

This is the correlation vs causality argument that you see in statistics all the time. There have, for example, been a number of studies showing a correlation between the live birth rate and the stork population in Western Europe - so the obvious conclusion is that storks deliver babies, isn't it? Of course not, and that is the difference between correlation and causality (it has been suggested that there are other factors related to both, such as increased urbanisation providing better maternal care as well as more nesting sites for storks).

So, even if there is a correlation between excess deaths and vaccination rates (and from other posters on here that doesn't seem to be the case). Then it is far from a slam dunk that one causes the other - you need more evidence.

 

[inbetween]

That’s true, just putting the information out there.

It would be extremely coincidental regarding timings if there were no links between the roll out and excess deaths imo.

It isn't coincidental, there's an obvious established cause that came before the vaccines which directly explains it, the cause is actually still ongoing today given COVID is still ever present.

You can either choose to ignore that or not. If you do ignore it though then you're ignoring established evidence in favour of zero evidence so anything further is just fantasy and has no credibility. No credible doctor ignores established evidence, their clinical care is literally solely based upon it.

 

[grunge]

I believe him to be a credible doctor who actually took the vaccines himself and has changed his initial opinions due to his own research of the data available.

Also his channel is demonetised so financial gain is seemingly not the reason for his videos, maybe watch and learn instead of blindly dismissing?!

He’s a nurse with a Doctorate in Philosophy. He started out well, trying to explain the complex side of how the virus worked etc.

He regularly got things wrong with reporting incorrect data and no retractions but with the speed things moved that was forgiven.

I watched him slowly fall into the conspiracy rabbit hole ( ivermectin etc ) and get totally discredited. He even went as far to say japans success of handling Covid was down to the fact the public could buy ivermectin from India. Therefore it HAD to be ivermectin. there was no doubt in his mind at that point. Which it clearly wasn’t.

Due to that discrediting he lost his nursing teaching business as he showed himself to not be reliable for teaching.

When I stoped watching He was cherry picking data out of papers and was regularly getting paid to present talks etc and has since gone full crackpot, I can only assume for the money.

Edit: the last video i watched of his was the one about masks where he was quoting a non peer reviewed paper that got demolished and zero retractions. and the way he reported the video was pure clickbait nonsense.

Edit2: I was also the one who used to summarise his daily videos for about the 1st year of Covid. so I've seen more of his video's than most.

 

[Kippaxpete]

He’s a nurse with a Doctorate in Philosophy. He started out well, trying to explain the complex side of how the virus worked etc.

He regularly got things wrong with reporting incorrect data and no retractions but with the speed things moved that was forgiven.

I watched him slowly fall into the conspiracy rabbit hole ( ivermectin etc ) and get totally discredited. He even went as far to say japans success of handling Covid was down to the fact the public could buy ivermectin from India. Therefore it HAD to be ivermectin. there was no doubt in his mind at that point. Which it clearly wasn’t.

Due to that discrediting he lost his nursing teaching business as he showed himself to not be reliable for teaching.

When I stoped watching He was cherry picking data out of papers and was regularly getting paid to present talks etc and has since gone full crackpot, I can only assume for the money.

Edit: the last video i watched of his was the one about masks where he was quoting a non peer reviewed paper that got demolished and zero retractions. and the way he reported the video was pure clickbait nonsense.

Edit2: I was also the one who used to summarise his daily videos for about the 1st year of Covid. so I've seen more of his video's than most.

While you're making a damn good fist of it, arguing with a conspiracy theory nut is, as I suspect you already know, a fool's errand my friend. As American writer, Elbert Hubbard, once said, “Never explain - your friends do not need it, and your enemies will not believe you anyway.” Once these people have disappeared down the conspiracy rabbit hole, they refuse to be persuaded by peer reviewed evidence on the grounds that this must also in some way be part of a wider grand conspiracy. In short, there's none so blind as those who refuse to see.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

One only has to read through some of the covid threads on here to see how people can can sucked into conspiracy black holes after spending too long on the internet.

 

[grunge]

One only has to read through some of the covid threads on here to see how people can can sucked into conspiracy black holes after spending too long on the internet.

Not related to Covid but Brian Cox's tweet says it all.

Honestly - a few of the replies to this little tribute to engineering excellence exhibit a level of stupidity that suggests to me that it won’t be long before our spacecraft are the only thing that remains of our increasingly dim-witted civilisation. Until recently my guess has been that the answer to the Fermi Paradox might be found in biology - complex biological systems are rare. I’m increasingly of the view that the reason for The Great Silence is that civilisations are inevitably crushed by the weight of nobheads shortly after inventing the internet.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Didn't know which of the many COVID threads to bump and didn't think we needed another.
Are the vaccines/ boosters still a thing? I used to get text reminders to get one but can't remember the last. I think I've had 3-4 in total but it doesn't seem to be a requirement for travel and the reminders have stopped.

 

[Cassandra]

Didn't know which of the many COVID threads to bump and didn't think we needed another.
Are the vaccines/ boosters still a thing? I used to get text reminders to get one but can't remember the last. I think I've had 3-4 in total but it doesn't seem to be a requirement for travel and the reminders have stopped.

Depends on your age and health status I think. I had a trio of vaccines around October, Covid, 'Flu and a new one RSV. Covid, I think, for over 70's RSV for over 75's but those ages may not be exactly accurate.

 

[pizzaman]

I'm 59 and had the Covid and flu jab at the same time, I have COPD.
Still caught Covid again 3 wks ago, kept me off work for a week, still not 100% at the moment..

 

[SilverFox2]

I had flu and covid injections 6 weeks ago. A month after this I had my age related pneumonia jab.
Touch wood up to now I have never had covid.

My question is why the need for a 1 month delay between covid/flu and pneumonia injections.?