Cricket Thread

[Postman Pep]

From the writer who coined the phrase 'bazball' an obituary.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/bazball-is-dead-england-arent-quite-yet-1514867

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Not really followed cricket too deeply for a good while so forgive me. Dont all the countries play the short game now? isnt T20 big everywhere? Where do the likes of Australia Cricket differ with ours when it comes to playing test cricket?
What are their younger players being subject to thats different?

There is a requirement that to play for the test side, you have to play Sheffield Shield cricket (their long form tournament). It may be more convenient for them to do so as it's in a different season to the major overseas 20-over stuff, but they have to do it. Fewer sides, fewer matches, makes it a fairly tight competition and there's a tangible prize at the end of it - all of the top players will be involved so players get to test themselves.

In England, some of them barely see a red ball outside tests apart from to prove fitness.

 

[ancoats]

With respect relying on the supposed fitness of Archer and Woods was delusional. Archer has bowled 169 overs in first class cricket in the last 2 years whilst Wood has bowled 11 overs this calendar year. To expect either to rock up in Australia given the heat and harder pitches and deliver defies belief. The fact that they are permanently injured is precisely the problem

The problem is who else is there in the first place ?? The ECB England doesn't have a clue and the setup stops anybody pushing for a place,

 

[ancoats]

From the writer who coined the phrase 'bazball' an obituary.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/bazball-is-dead-england-arent-quite-yet-1514867

England's chance ended in the 1st test, never mind losing the 2nd test

The Aussie will be in control of the next 3 and even take the piss and still win

 

[SMB75]

I'd make 2 changes for Adelaide.
Drop Duckett and put Jacks in as opener.
Plus drop smith and put Pope in as keeper, this creates another bowling space

 

[ancoats]

I'd make 2 changes for Adelaide.
Drop Duckett and put Jacks in as opener.
Plus drop smith and put Pope in as keeper, this creates another bowling space

Duckett will stay in the side, Pope and Smith are the ones looking down a barrel, Jacob Bethell, Will Jacks, Shoaib Bashir, could all play.

My bet is Pope stays in and will take the gloves from Smith and Jacob Bethell comes in and Joe Root will bat at 3
Also, england could pick 2 spinners as Adelaide is normally spinner-friendly

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[The Stockport Iniesta]

Duckett will stay in the side, Pope and Smith are the ones looking down a barrel, Jacob Bethell, Will Jacks, Shoaib Bashir, could all play.

My bet is Pope stays in and will take the gloves from Smith and Jacob Bethell comes in and Joe Root will bat at 3
Also, england could pick 2 spinners as Adelaide is normally spinner-friendly

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Two spinners, ones a part timer with only 50 FC wickets at over 42, and the other one can't get a game for Somerset lol

It's beyond comical at this point.

 

[Pubteam Lomas]

Wood ruled out the series.
He bowled 11 overs!

Wow some squad planning that!
Not only take just 16 players. In there are Wood, Archer and Stokes!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Wood ruled out the series.
He bowled 11 overs!

Wow some squad planning that!
Not only take just 16 players. In there are Wood, Archer and Stokes!

It's all right, they've called up a 1-test veteran. Surely the best he can hope for is once the series is lost?

Hazlewood also out for the series.

 

[ancoats]

Wood ruled out the series.
He bowled 11 overs!

Wow some squad planning that!
Not only take just 16 players. In there are Wood, Archer and Stokes!

Crazy

Wood and Archer are injury-prone, Stokes was also coming back from surgery. That's some major plan to win back the Ashes,

 

[Gabriel]

The England dressing room, we are assured, is not a place for ‘weak men’, yet it does seem to be rather full of men who cannot play a possible 25 days of cricket in 49 days.

 

[jaiguruKun]

Duckett will stay in the side, Pope and Smith are the ones looking down a barrel, Jacob Bethell, Will Jacks, Shoaib Bashir, could all play.

My bet is Pope stays in and will take the gloves from Smith and Jacob Bethell comes in and Joe Root will bat at 3
Also, england could pick 2 spinners as Adelaide is normally spinner-friendly

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Jacks should be moved up the order to 3 and we should bring in a bowler for Pope

 

[crystal_mais]

Two spinners, ones a part timer with only 50 FC wickets at over 42, and the other one can't get a game for Somerset lol

It's beyond comical at this point.

I think thats a consequence of how County cricket is these days. I feel sorry for spinners in England.
The quality of spin coaching in pathways and exposure to play at 1st class level is not the best.
What you do see is spin bowling sometimes dominate age group cricket and thats mainly down to batters ability to play spin on sub standard club pitches that age group cricket is played on. Once they get on pro decks its a different story and the county game is geared towards seam & swing bowling.
From a wider cricket perspective, I think the art of spin bowling is in decline, India are not producing international standard, Aussies still rely on Lyon, not sure about SAFA, Pakistan or Sri Lanka

 

[ancoats]

Jacks should be moved up the order to 3 and we should bring in a bowler for Pope

I understand your idea but Jacks has to bat higher up in the order. Root at 3 will be ideal if we lose an early wicket, jack's may panic and we are 2 for nothing again. Pope being wicket keeper will want to bat at 4 or 5

Shoaib Bashir has to play for Atkinson or Carse. Stokes Archer Carse Bashir would be my pick for bowlers and then Jacks can bat and bowl

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

I understand your idea but Jacks has to bat higher up in the order. Root at 3 will be ideal if we lose an early wicket, jack's may panic and we are 2 for nothing again. Pope being wicket keeper will want to bat at 4 or 5

Shoaib Bashir has to play for Atkinson or Carse. Stokes Archer Carse Bashir would be my pick for bowlers and then Jacks can bat and bowl

Atkinson instead of Carse for me

 

[ancoats]

I think thats a consequence of how County cricket is these days. I feel sorry for spinners in England.
The quality of spin coaching in pathways and exposure to play at 1st class level is not the best.
What you do see is spin bowling sometimes dominate age group cricket and thats mainly down to batters ability to play spin on sub standard club pitches that age group cricket is played on. Once they get on pro decks its a different story and the county game is geared towards seam & swing bowling.
From a wider cricket perspective, I think the art of spin bowling is in decline, India are not producing international standard, Aussies still rely on Lyon, not sure about SAFA, Pakistan or Sri Lanka

A very good spinner can bowl on anything, given the time to develop and understand the art of spin

A spinner needs a mindset to be confident in his arm and wrist, then it's all about the run-up or steps and timing the release of the ball, it can be very painful learning the right releases from the wrist.

Funny thing is, a spinner's once told me the best tool to have is not to spin the ball

 

[ancoats]

Atkinson instead of Carse for me

Yep, it's a close call, both about the same

 

[crystal_mais]

A very good spinner can bowl on anything, given the time to develop and understand the art of spin

A spinner needs a mindset to be confident in his arm and wrist, then it's all about the run-up or steps and timing the release of the ball, it can be very painful learning the right releases from the wrist.

Funny thing is, a spinner's once told me the best tool to have is not to spin the ball

so true mate - the vast majority are playing county 2's and are taken off the minute they get whacked abit. The main thing is give them time to develop

 

[Stiff Little Wingers]

so true mate - the vast majority are playing county 2's and are taken off the minute they get whacked abit. The main thing is give them time to develop

Yes agree so why can’t Bashir (who I think has some good qualities) not find a county and bowl regularly?
Spinners need time and bowling to develop - Swann being a good example.
Same with Bethell - he just doesn’t play enough to learn the game

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Plenty of batters averaging high 40’s and 50’s in the championship. Hammed scored 1200+ runs at over 66 but doesn’t get a look in.
As for spin bowlers, Jack Leach was the stand out last season, took 52 wickets at 22, whilst keeping Bashir out of the team!