Cricket Thread

ancoats said:
Bashir wants to say fuck off if you're picking me for the 4th and 5th tests, I'm out injured
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The bashir thing is another communication problem.

If they’d said “county cricket hasn’t produced a spinner in 20 years, we’re going to take bash around with us for 5 years and see if he turns into a test spinner through exposure to this environment” then there’d be no massive furore if he wasn’t ready at 22 years old.

But because they just said everything was to do with the ashes, everyone is confused that a 22 year old isn’t ready for an away ashes yet.
 
domalino said:
The baby shouldn't be thrown out with the bathwater. There's been a lot of positives about the last 3 years, they just need to advance the ideas a lot more.

I think their biggest problem is PR/communication. Not just Stokes saying stupid things he has to apologise for later like the has beens comment, but treating the media and fans like they're the enemy and not the team's biggest supporters needs to change.

Time and time again they communicate poorly, get accused of arrogance because of the way they do it, and then 3/4 days later the full story emerges. Canberra day/night is a classic example. If they'd come out and said the climate is so different to Brisbane we don't think it's useful preparation, training at the Gabba will be better etc. then everyone would have understood even if they disagreed. Coming out and just saying "No." and "I've already answered that" when people ask about it is asking for people to brand you arrogant.

Rob Key should go, he's not improved anything, people seem to think there's no accountability in the team or ECB so if there's going to be a sacrificial goat it should be him.

Lastly they just need to break up the favourites clique. Pope has to go, he's had too many chances. I still think Crawley is worth keeping around because we have no one else, but give him a break and let someone else try and then bring him back if he's scoring well in county.

Brook just needs to grow up a bit, this series might do that.

The bowling situation is more fucked but the tactics they're using are so bad that it's hard to really judge.

Realistically can't drop Stokes because he's the best bowler and maybe 3rd best batsman so McCullum will have to leave, but I hope they replace him with someone who has a lot of the same ideas.
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Give Over.. The system has been built just for this Ashes tour. Beating the weaker teams is not progress
When we go on tour to places like India or Australia it's always the same old shit

Is it positive getting well beat by the Aussies? None of the 3 meaningful tests has been close

I think Stokes steps down and quit cricket after this
 
ancoats said:
Give Over.. The system has been built just for this Ashes tour. Beating the weaker teams is not progress
When we go on tour to places like India or Australia it's always the same old shit

Is it positive getting well beat by the Aussies? None of the 3 meaningful tests has been close

I think Stokes steps down and quit cricket after this
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Stokes would join the 20/20 train and earn a fortune whilst having fun.
 
super_city_si said:
Lol we wont even win an innings
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I suppose it's possible that we could (repeat, COULD) scrape a draw in this test. The last two wickets add 50 tomorrow morning (humour me!), leaving the Aussies just over 100 ahead shortly before lunch. 5 sessions to go; would they need to bat for 2 of them to get around 325-350 ahead, leaving the poms to bat out the final day?



"Nurse; my tablets. QUICKLY!"
 
jimharri said:
I suppose it's possible that we could (repeat, COULD) scrape a draw in this test. The last two wickets add 50 tomorrow morning (humour me!), leaving the Aussies just over 100 ahead shortly before lunch. 5 sessions to go; would they need to bat for 2 of them to get around 325-350 ahead, leaving the poms to bat out the final day?



"Nurse; my tablets. QUICKLY!"
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Sadly, we’re only at the end of day 2, despite what the BBC suggest.
 
jimharri said:
I suppose it's possible that we could (repeat, COULD) scrape a draw in this test. The last two wickets add 50 tomorrow morning (humour me!), leaving the Aussies just over 100 ahead shortly before lunch. 5 sessions to go; would they need to bat for 2 of them to get around 325-350 ahead, leaving the poms to bat out the final day?



"Nurse; my tablets. QUICKLY!"
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Surely they've only played 2 days so ?
 
jimharri said:
I suppose it's possible that we could (repeat, COULD) scrape a draw in this test. The last two wickets add 50 tomorrow morning (humour me!), leaving the Aussies just over 100 ahead shortly before lunch. 5 sessions to go; would they need to bat for 2 of them to get around 325-350 ahead, leaving the poms to bat out the final day?



"Nurse; my tablets. QUICKLY!"
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It's the hope that kills you, matey
This time, I think a lot of the fans and the barmy army have had enough and will not do it again ?

Bucket list or not, the amount of money it takes is unbelievable and to keep getting mugged off about our chances
Test Cricket is not killing the sport, it's England

I watched a Sky Sports video podcast and an Aussie fan before the Ashes started, said all of the Aussie fans see the Ashes as 3rd or 4th choice of series, as they don't look forward to it because we don't give them a game anymore
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
That’s what’s killing test cricket the most though and I’m not sure we can put the genie back in the bottle.
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It can be good again, if the test cricket breaks away from white ball cricket, then both have their own players and no crossover players or have an age limit to let test players leave for white ball cricket

Free-to-air channels should pump some money in with new ideas into the county league and test cricket
play country cricket at weekends from Friday to Monday, even have day-night games with a pink ball. Plus play most of the games in small grounds
 
ancoats said:
It can be good again, if the test cricket breaks away from white ball cricket, then both have their own players and no crossover players or have an age limit to let test players leave for white ball cricket

Free-to-air channels should pump some money in with new ideas into the county league and test cricket
play country cricket at weekends from Friday to Monday, even have day-night games with a pink ball. Plus play most of the games in small grounds
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I made a similar suggestion after the last test. The best will go where the money is though.

How can you stop a cricketer switching to white ball cricket? The IPL won’t care if they’ve forgone their test chances with England.
 
The reality is that to play for NSW, Victoria etc you have to be a serious cricketer. You've come through Grade cricket which is a way higher level than English club cricket.
And the Sheffield Shield is a much higher standard than county cricket as there are only 5 teams.
 
robbieh said:
Most of the Australians play in the IPL Big Bash etc, and they can still play test match cricket.
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True, but they’re still playing the last generation of players that were taught first class techniques as kids.

It’s the next generation where hardly anyone will be able to build an innings or bowl 6 balls on a sixpence to set up batsmen.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
True, but they’re still playing the last generation of players that were taught first class techniques as kids.

It’s the next generation where hardly anyone will be able to build an innings or bowl 6 balls on a sixpence to set up batsmen.
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It will be interesting to see. Grade cricket is an interesting format as it's played over 2 Saturdays and 90 overs is the norm per day. You get points for a first innings lead and so often teams just bat once unless the wicket is poor. As long as they keep playing this and Shield cricket they should be OK.
 
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