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Cook has been released, as has Overton.

If we win the series at Old Trafford then we might see some changes in the 5th test. I think Crawley and Pope will get the series though. Individually Crawley shouldn't be in the side, but as a partnership with Duckett they've been successful. Having to bowl to a left/right handed combination with the height difference makes it very difficult for a bowling attack to settle. I think England like how disruptive they are together. He's an infuriating player though. It's not easy to open the batting at test level but he keeps making the same mistakes time and time again and isn't showing any signs of improvement - in fact he's getting worse if anything!

Pope is a tricky one...number 3 isn't an easy position to bat in. You can be in very early and up against the new ball or come in when things are easier. The contrast between his 1st and 2nd innings (46avg-19avg) is vast though and surely points at a mentality issue?

Bethell hasn't played enough to directly compare, but number 3 is the only place I see him getting in. I can't see Stokes using him as our principle spinner. I checked that NZ series and the latest he came out to bat in the 6 innings he played was the 5th over! So he was thrown in at the deep end! An average of 52 suggests he coped alright with that, but his highest 1st innings score was 16.

The thing with Crawley is when he does come off he's won you the game before lunch, and the Aussies respect him for that brilliant 90 he hit against them last time. As you said the partnership with Duckett has been working and I wouldn't rip it up when there isn't exactly a host of openers banging the door down.
 
The thing with Crawley is when he does come off he's won you the game before lunch, and the Aussies respect him for that brilliant 90 he hit against them last time. As you said the partnership with Duckett has been working and I wouldn't rip it up when there isn't exactly a host of openers banging the door down.

Australia has been the graveyard for plenty of English cricketers. I would expect Stokes and McCullum will continue their approach of instilling confidence in the side and taking the pressure to perform off individuals. We had a long period under Root where one bad score meant you were out of the side and it did nothing but create additional fear of failure.

We've got two tests against India before the Ashes. Nowhere near enough time to make major changes to the side. We all know what we're likely to get with Crawley. Change him for Sibley, Ahmed or Haines and unless they go and get big scores they'll be eaten alive. We win and lose as a team and I can't see any major changes now unless we need them in the ashes!
 
Australia has been the graveyard for plenty of English cricketers. I would expect Stokes and McCullum will continue their approach of instilling confidence in the side and taking the pressure to perform off individuals. We had a long period under Root where one bad score meant you were out of the side and it did nothing but create additional fear of failure.

We've got two tests against India before the Ashes. Nowhere near enough time to make major changes to the side. We all know what we're likely to get with Crawley. Change him for Sibley, Ahmed or Haines and unless they go and get big scores they'll be eaten alive. We win and lose as a team and I can't see any major changes now unless we need them in the ashes!
Dawson in the squad for next test. His first class batting average is 38. Bowls a bit too!
 
England docked 2 world championship test points and the team fined 10% of their match fee for slow over rates at Lord's yet nothing for India who were even slower......

They must discount the overs India bowl or its much more not fair when where spin is abundant in certain countries! If we take 6/7 minutes for drinks is it Englands fault or the umpires for never being hard on the players!

It’s why I’ve said England will never ever win the test match world champions
 
England docked 2 world championship test points and the team fined 10% of their match fee for slow over rates at Lord's yet nothing for India who were even slower......
So when Jadeja went for a "nature break" on Monday evening that would count towards England's slow over rate?

I don't get it. Not that I'm blaming Jadeja by the way.
 
So when Jadeja went for a "nature break" on Monday evening that would count towards England's slow over rate?

I don't get it. Not that I'm blaming Jadeja by the way.
That break was allowed for, England were just too slow I’m afraid and need to address the issue.

I’m not sure how putting suggested things like clocks and run penalties improves the game as teams will start to get tactical with it so think we’re stuck with what we have.
 
So when Jadeja went for a "nature break" on Monday evening that would count towards England's slow over rate?

I don't get it. Not that I'm blaming Jadeja by the way.

I'd say that was different, as the delay in taking tea by England asking for the extra half hour would seem very harsh.

However, on day 5 of a test match, all the overs have to bowled if the weather holds.
 
There should compulsorily be 90 overs in each of the first four days. Overs required reduced for weather etc. 6 hours play/90 = 4 mins per over.
A post match fine hardly compensates spectators who have been cheated of 10 overs or so.
 
There should compulsorily be 90 overs in each of the first four days. Overs required reduced for weather etc. 6 hours play/90 = 4 mins per over.
A post match fine hardly compensates spectators who have been cheated of 10 overs or so.

quite, the fine is irrelevant - what's 10% of a fee to them?

It's fairly astonishing to me that they were found to be 2 overs short, and the 5%/1 pt per over is the standard.

However, amongst lots of other things, an innings that lasts less than 80 overs does not count towards over rate calculations.
 
Maybe so but it doesn’t look good mocking one of our test cricketers. In fairness to Aggers, he knows he’s made a **** of himself and the world moves on.

I doubt he would have done likewise against an Indian Test bowler
How did he mock him? I may have misunderstood him but I thought he said (and bet) he thought Archer would never play red ball cricket for England again? TBH I thought Archer would never play red ball cricket for England again. Not sure why he felt the need to bet with Stokes about it but I’ve always found Aggers to be a very decent man. A lot easier to warm to than ragatherton
 
How did he mock him? I may have misunderstood him but I thought he said (and bet) he thought Archer would never play red ball cricket for England again? TBH I thought Archer would never play red ball cricket for England again. Not sure why he felt the need to bet with Stokes about it but I’ve always found Aggers to be a very decent man. A lot easier to warm to than ragatherton

I'm in this camp to be fair, he's paid to voice his opinion and at the time his opinion wouldn't have been wildly different to most cricket fans. Took ownership of it as well when he was proved wrong unlike 99.9% of sports pundits.
 
I'm in this camp to be fair, he's paid to voice his opinion and at the time his opinion wouldn't have been wildly different to most cricket fans. Took ownership of it as well when he was proved wrong unlike 99.9% of sports pundits.

There's only one person not in that camp! It wasn't a bet made in a smug manner, it was a figure of speech based on numerous injuries he had suffered at the time. It also came from someone who knows exactly what it's like. Aggers would have been thrilled to see him back, and credit to him owning the moment as well.

Anyway, he is back and we move forwards!
 

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