Crumpsall Synagogue Attack - two people confirmed dead, one inadvertently shot by police along with the suspect

[bert38]

Those officers involved will spend years being investigated having been forced to make life changing choices in seconds...its a voluntary role which comes with huge responsibility and no extra recompense.

 

[johnnytapia]

Whilst I concur it was the perpetrator's fault, isn't there a clear definition of the Jewish faith holders in the area?

Whenever I've been in the area, dress code and appearance are defined, so I'm confused how a 'mistake' can happen.

Tricky to see most outfits through a wooden door.

 

[Bigga]

Tricky to see most outfits through a wooden door.

Asked and answered already.

 

[johnny crossan]

Okay, thanks. I haven't looked at or want to look at the footage.
These are Human beings, not SM entertainment for me.
Not a rabbit hole I want to be in.

Many of us haven't watched the video footage although it is on MSM in edited form now.

 

[discopop]

They were behind the door of the synagogue

That matters not the blame game is on

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

Whilst I concur it was the perpetrator's fault, isn't there a clear definition of the Jewish faith holders in the area?

Whenever I've been in the area, dress code and appearance are defined, so I'm confused how a 'mistake' can happen.

What would be a good disguise for the terrorist?

 

[Bigga]

Many of us haven't watched the video footage although it is on MSM in edited form now.

Fair.

I don't even bother with MSM, so cheers for the update.

 

[Bigga]

What would be a good disguise for the terrorist?

Is there confirmation the perp was dressed in such a manner since you raised it?

 

[discopop]

Is there confirmation the perp was dressed in such a manner since you raised it?

It’s quite clear he wasn’t but I’m not sure what angle you are going for?

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

Is there confirmation the perp was dressed in such a manner since you raised it?

No. But one terrorist not disguised does not preclude others who were disguised. Cannot assume.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Fair.

I don't even bother with MSM, so cheers for the update.

The clip on SM starts with the piece of shit already on the floor, presumably already shot once. What happened prior to that, thankfully, isn’t there for all to see (as far as I’m aware anyway).

It’s just a really shit, vile incident.

 

[pride in battle]

That's awful. I can only assume that the police didn't know they were there when they shot the perpetrator

Must have been a bad shot ffs

 

[pride in battle]

Can’t imagine what the marksmen are feeling. What a terrible decision to have to make, but that’s what they’re trained for. Quick decisions.

The bottom line is that if this murderous piece of dirt hadn’t done what he’d done, no decisions to make. It isn’t their fault and I hope the public see it that way

Trained for ? Badly trained going off shooting 2 members of the public...

 

[pride in battle]

Whilst I concur it was the perpetrator's fault, isn't there a clear definition of the Jewish faith holders in the area?

Whenever I've been in the area, dress code and appearance are defined, so I'm confused how a 'mistake' can happen.

Just a bit

 

[mancityvstoke]

The clip on SM starts with the piece of shit already on the floor, presumably already shot once. What happened prior to that, thankfully, isn’t there for all to see (as far as I’m aware anyway).

It’s just a really shit, vile incident.

That building is riddled with CCTV . I'm glad I don't have to watch it.

 

[hampshireblue]

Terrible tragedy. RIP to those that lost their lives . Speedy recovery to the injured. Don't know why the police waited so long to pull the trigger.

Because mistakes can be made as we have now discovered.

 

[GOULDYBOBS]

The world turns and grows older yet we seem to make the same mistakes again and again.
RIP to those who lost their lives in a place of worship.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

You're first 2 paragraphs are fine and you're completely entitled to your opinion but I think you're being completely unfair with the last paragraph and offending most decent people on here.

It's perfect plausible to have sympathy for the British Jewish community and the victims yesterday, whilst being critical of what Israel is doing to Palestine.
I absolutely agree that antisemitism is on the rise in the UK as seen with the attack yesterday and most likely the middle east situation is compounding the rise in antisemitism where some people cant separate the two.
British Jews are more at risk and need greater protection and understandably have a lot more fear right now.

To say you cant have sympathy for the victims and their families yesterday and the Jewish community whilst also being critical of Israel is just wrong though. Trying to equate the two is insulting to genuinely decent people.

I also think you're being completely unfair on the moderating team, where we do our best to allow a balance of opinions and even show quite a bit of leniency in stressful times. This isn't the cesspit that X is.

Anyway I dont think this argument is fair in this thread right now. An awful incident happened yesterday and the victims families deserve sympathy and respect.

Probably time for this thread to shift to the politics forum and fester there? It's taking the inevitable turn from an RIP thread to political handbags.

 

[Bigga]

It’s quite clear he wasn’t but I’m not sure what angle you are going for?

What "angle" am I going for? I asked the question. It was answered. The above poster to this post speculated something I didn't.

I won't have my words twisted as it has been several times before.

 

[Bigga]

No. But one terrorist not disguised does not preclude others who were disguised. Cannot assume.

"Cannot assume"??

Was he dressed as a Jewish citizen of that particular area or not? It's a simple observational question.