CSKA Moscow v City - Pre match discussion

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Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

citizen said:
bluespana said:
citizen said:
Phoned russian embassy and they say if your stay is less than 7 days it wont affect the visa, ive also asked for it in writing just incase

That's correct. They have a thing called registratsia but it doesn't kick in now until after the first 7 days.

Out of interest how would they ever know ive cancelled my original hotel for a new one now my visa has been issued?
Each hotel would have to report every registratsia/registered person..also one for every resident in a flat. They could check but I was never asked for the form back at the airport. I've had many because it used to be three month visas, a few years back.
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

Extra info: Moscow has a lot of money exchange places (obmen valuti). The rate is better than the airports and banks may be safer but may not exchange unless you're a customer. Usually they exchange Euros or dollars to rubles but a few do pounds.

One pound is usually equal to 50rubles (51.5 at the moment).To figure out prices, double the Russian price and chop a couple zeroes. So a coffee for 120rubles is 2.40sterling. I may be able to exchange rubles to pounds because I'll be in Manchester at Xmas. Or vice versa.

Credit cards/ debit cards are widely accepted but check to make sure your banks will allow you to use them in Russia, as some have a blanket fraud policy for certain countries.
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

just a couple of money tips from a friend who is a Moscow resident.

plenty of change kiosks over there so don't risk having too many rubles on you, take some and change your stirling as and when you need it. also visa is more acceptable than debit cards.<br /><br />-- Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:33 pm --<br /><br />
bluespana said:
Extra info: Moscow has a lot of money exchange places (obmen valuti). The rate is better than the airports and banks may be safer but may not exchange unless you're a customer. Usually they exchange Euros or dollars to rubles but a few do pounds.

One pound is usually equal to 50rubles (51.5 at the moment).To figure out prices, double the Russian price and chop a couple zeroes. So a coffee for 120rubles is 2.40sterling. I may be able to exchange rubles to pounds because I'll be in Manchester at Xmas. Or vice versa.

Credit cards/ debit cards are widely accepted but check to make sure your banks will allow you to use them in Russia, as some have a blanket fraud policy for certain countries.

cheers for that, I may take some of those rubles off you.
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

Rate I got was just over 47 today :(
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

The City Yoof team are playing at Oktyabar stadium at 1pm on the day of the match. The stadium is here:

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Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

Also, VERY GOOD AND IMPORTANT TRAVEL ADVICE FROM ANN-MARIE AT THE FSF


GENERAL TIPS FOR MOSCOW (OR WHEREVER THE GAME MAY BE IN RUSSIA!)

Before you leave, email your hotel/hostel and ask them to send you the address in Cyrillic. Most Russian people don’t speak or understand English so it’s best to have the address wrote in a way taxi drivers etc will understand. Also take a photo of it on your mobile so you have it at hand.

On arrival, you will have to fill in a Migration Card. The card is in 2 sections - Part A and Part B. Both parts must be presented to the Immigration officer on arrival; they will take Part A and give you Part B. KEEP IT SAFE as you will need to present it upon leaving the country. If you lose it you will be fined and your departure could be seriously delayed.
Part B must be produced with your passport if you are stopped by authorities including the police. (See note below about handing passport over to authorities)

Expect long, long queues at Passport control - 2 hrs or more is the norm
Make sure your passport is safe when passing through the airport, particularly around the baggage collection area and arrival hall as there are increased numbers of British passports being stolen.

Keep the address of the British Embassy handy just in case anything should happen. See list below on what the British Embassy can/can’t do for you
British Embassy Moscow,
Smolenskaya Naberezhnya 10
121099 Moscow
Tel: +7 495 956 7200
Open: Mon-Fri 9am to 1pm and 2pm to 5pm (local time) (GMT +4)

The spiking of drinks is a regular occurrence, so keep an eye on your drinks at all times.

Pick-pockets operate around tourist areas and train stations etc. There are also bogus police officers who can harass tourists - usually they stop and ask to see your ID (passport) and then demand money to get it back. If you are stopped DO NOT hand anything over without first requesting to see ID.

If you are stopped and asked for your documents (whether official or bogus) remain calm at all times. Never allow anyone to search your pockets/bags in the street as you may later find things are missing. If you ask to see their ID and they refuse it, insist on calling the British Embassy. State this quite clearly to them and if it is genuine issue they won’t have a problem with this.

Don’t change money with street dealers - apart from being illegal, the majority of notes are fakes.

Try to use ATMS in shopping centres or banks in highly-populated areas which are usually covered by CCTV. Don’t exchange too much as Rubles officially can’t be exported and if you do manage to stash some in your luggage you won’t be able to change it once you are back home.

24hr chemists
• 36.6 Tverskaya 25. Nearest metro station: Pushkinskaha
• 57, B Tcherkizovskaya 8. Nearest metro station: Preobrazhenska Ploschad

Racially-motivated attacks do occur in Russia. Ensure you take extra care and never walk alone, especially at night.

Photographing any military buildings (including airports) is banned. You could be detained and questioned or arrested if you are caught taking pictures or recording on phones/cameras etc

You must carry your passport with you at all times, a copy of the information page will not be sufficient. If you are stopped and can’t produce your passport when asked, you will be fined.

Should you require any medical treatment you’ll have to pay for it (and it is expensive). Ensure you have comprehensive medical insurance and keep all receipts for any payments made for treatment/consultations etc so you can claim it back when you are home.

If you have an old, cheap phone or camera, bring them with you instead expensive, modern models. Calls, texts etc are expensive so if you are there for a few days it may well be worth investing in a Russian SIM card (about £3)

What the British Embassy can/can’t do:
They can
• Arrange for the issue of replacement travel documents if your passport is lost or stolen
• Help to find an English-speaking translator
• Find an English-speaking doctor should you require medical treatment
• Find you a lawyer
• Contact your family to let them know if something has happened to you

They can’t
• Give you legal advice
• Give you financial help i.e. to replace stolen property

Match day info
Drinking in public areas is not acceptable so don’t expect large crowds of fans congregating in a public square.
Old Arbat is the most likely place for fans to go, a pedestrianised street with bars, shops and fast food outlets (yep, including a McD’s and a Hard Rock Cafe). The area will be heavily policed and military and police will step in and break up any build up of large groups of fans.


A word of warning regarding Red Square
The area has an iconic, almost sacred status to Russian people, and there are strict rules about respecting the area. Taking photos of the buildings are OK but hanging flags anywhere in the vicinity is a definite no. When England visited there a few years ago a number of fans were shot at for attempting to hang flags. .... don’t say you haven’t been warned.

FINALLY:
A word about loos..... they aren’t ideal but if you’re desperate it’s best to pop into a restaurant or a museum if there’s one nearby and use their facilities; they are slightly better than the public loos. (Oh, and carry a packet of tissues or wet-wipes with you as they don’t usually have any paper!)
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

scall said:
Also, VERY GOOD AND IMPORTANT TRAVEL ADVICE FROM ANN-MARIE AT THE FSF


GENERAL TIPS FOR MOSCOW (OR WHEREVER THE GAME MAY BE IN RUSSIA!)

Before you leave, email your hotel/hostel and ask them to send you the address in Cyrillic. Most Russian people don’t speak or understand English so it’s best to have the address wrote in a way taxi drivers etc will understand. Also take a photo of it on your mobile so you have it at hand.

On arrival, you will have to fill in a Migration Card. The card is in 2 sections - Part A and Part B. Both parts must be presented to the Immigration officer on arrival; they will take Part A and give you Part B. KEEP IT SAFE as you will need to present it upon leaving the country. If you lose it you will be fined and your departure could be seriously delayed.
Part B must be produced with your passport if you are stopped by authorities including the police. (See note below about handing passport over to authorities)

Expect long, long queues at Passport control - 2 hrs or more is the norm
Make sure your passport is safe when passing through the airport, particularly around the baggage collection area and arrival hall as there are increased numbers of British passports being stolen.

Keep the address of the British Embassy handy just in case anything should happen. See list below on what the British Embassy can/can’t do for you
British Embassy Moscow,
Smolenskaya Naberezhnya 10
121099 Moscow
Tel: +7 495 956 7200
Open: Mon-Fri 9am to 1pm and 2pm to 5pm (local time) (GMT +4)

The spiking of drinks is a regular occurrence, so keep an eye on your drinks at all times.

Pick-pockets operate around tourist areas and train stations etc. There are also bogus police officers who can harass tourists - usually they stop and ask to see your ID (passport) and then demand money to get it back. If you are stopped DO NOT hand anything over without first requesting to see ID.

If you are stopped and asked for your documents (whether official or bogus) remain calm at all times. Never allow anyone to search your pockets/bags in the street as you may later find things are missing. If you ask to see their ID and they refuse it, insist on calling the British Embassy. State this quite clearly to them and if it is genuine issue they won’t have a problem with this.

Don’t change money with street dealers - apart from being illegal, the majority of notes are fakes.

Try to use ATMS in shopping centres or banks in highly-populated areas which are usually covered by CCTV. Don’t exchange too much as Rubles officially can’t be exported and if you do manage to stash some in your luggage you won’t be able to change it once you are back home.

24hr chemists
• 36.6 Tverskaya 25. Nearest metro station: Pushkinskaha
• 57, B Tcherkizovskaya 8. Nearest metro station: Preobrazhenska Ploschad

Racially-motivated attacks do occur in Russia. Ensure you take extra care and never walk alone, especially at night.

Photographing any military buildings (including airports) is banned. You could be detained and questioned or arrested if you are caught taking pictures or recording on phones/cameras etc

You must carry your passport with you at all times, a copy of the information page will not be sufficient. If you are stopped and can’t produce your passport when asked, you will be fined.

Should you require any medical treatment you’ll have to pay for it (and it is expensive). Ensure you have comprehensive medical insurance and keep all receipts for any payments made for treatment/consultations etc so you can claim it back when you are home.

If you have an old, cheap phone or camera, bring them with you instead expensive, modern models. Calls, texts etc are expensive so if you are there for a few days it may well be worth investing in a Russian SIM card (about £3)

What the British Embassy can/can’t do:
They can
• Arrange for the issue of replacement travel documents if your passport is lost or stolen
• Help to find an English-speaking translator
• Find an English-speaking doctor should you require medical treatment
• Find you a lawyer
• Contact your family to let them know if something has happened to you

They can’t
• Give you legal advice
• Give you financial help i.e. to replace stolen property

Match day info
Drinking in public areas is not acceptable so don’t expect large crowds of fans congregating in a public square.
Old Arbat is the most likely place for fans to go, a pedestrianised street with bars, shops and fast food outlets (yep, including a McD’s and a Hard Rock Cafe). The area will be heavily policed and military and police will step in and break up any build up of large groups of fans.


A word of warning regarding Red Square
The area has an iconic, almost sacred status to Russian people, and there are strict rules about respecting the area. Taking photos of the buildings are OK but hanging flags anywhere in the vicinity is a definite no. When England visited there a few years ago a number of fans were shot at for attempting to hang flags. .... don’t say you haven’t been warned.

FINALLY:
A word about loos..... they aren’t ideal but if you’re desperate it’s best to pop into a restaurant or a museum if there’s one nearby and use their facilities; they are slightly better than the public loos. (Oh, and carry a packet of tissues or wet-wipes with you as they don’t usually have any paper!)
sounds like a nightmare,and this is modern Russia,cold war Russia must of been hell,
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

ped said:
sounds like a nightmare,and this is modern Russia,cold war Russia must of been hell,

I think Cold War Russia was just a completely different place that we just cannot comprehend. Trouble is, it's hard for some people to get out of that mentality.

It's for that reason I want to go. A beautiful and fascinating place, but it's just not what we're used to. I'm not expecting a great welcome from the vast majority of Moscovites at all. Some maybe, but I've got no misconceptions!
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

scall said:
ped said:
sounds like a nightmare,and this is modern Russia,cold war Russia must of been hell,

I think Cold War Russia was just a completely different place that we just cannot comprehend. Trouble is, it's hard for some people to get out of that mentality.

It's for that reason I want to go. A beautiful and fascinating place, but it's just not what we're used to. I'm not expecting a great welcome from the vast majority of Moscovites at all. Some maybe, but I've got no misconceptions!

And to think that the club are awarding a meagre 20/40 loyalty points for this one. The lads had better turn up here, another half-arsed away performance and they will cop for some stick. All the advice suggests we're entering the closest thing to hell.
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

John Wayne said:
And to think that the club are awarding a meagre 20/40 loyalty points for this one. The lads had better turn up here, another half-arsed away performance and they will cop for some stick. All the advice suggests we're entering the closest thing to hell.

I went to Napoli away, and I thought that was hell. And although the Italian police are horrible, they won't confiscate your passport and demand £200 just to give it back etc.

Frankly, the loyalty points system goes out the window for games like this. You got more points for going to Barnsley in the UEFA Cup for EB/Streymur (coaches laid on free) than you did for the first leg in the Faroe Islands. It makes no sense. I personally would give 100+ loyalty points for games like this, but the people deciding this stuff do not give a tiny piece of sh!t about how hard it is to get to games like this.
However, I don't go games like this for the points. I do it because it's a challenge. some of the best games I've been to include the Faroes and Timisoara...the fact that it's so hard to get to makes it all the more reason to go!
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

Thanks Dave for posting that info. It sounds like the last place on earth to go and watch a football game.very off putting to be honest.

Cant fucking wait :-)
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

de niro said:
Thanks Dave for posting that info. It sounds like the last place on earth to go and watch a football game.very off putting to be honest.

Cant fucking wait :-)

Exactly. People keep asking me "why are you going? Costs a fortune, corrupt, hostile, miles away and cold?" my reply is that's exactly why I'm going.

Can't wait for this me. Be an experience we won't forget in a hurry
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

greenie said:
de niro said:
Thanks Dave for posting that info. It sounds like the last place on earth to go and watch a football game.very off putting to be honest.

Cant fucking wait :-)

Exactly. People keep asking me "why are you going? Costs a fortune, corrupt, hostile, miles away and cold?" my reply is that's exactly why I'm going.

Can't wait for this me. Be an experience we won't forget in a hurry

I feel exactly the same. How many English fans have been to Milan, Barcelona, Amsterdam, etc? This was the one city I hope we got when that draw was made. It's places like this that add the intrigue.
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

anyone who has had the misfortune to visit a resort that has a russian influx will realize just how intrepid our fans are in going into the bears cave. Never mind loyalty points, they should get a campaign medal. Dont forget to make a will :)
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

bellbuzzer said:
anyone who has had the misfortune to visit a resort that has a russian influx will realize just how intrepid our fans are in going into the bears cave. Never mind loyalty points, they should get a campaign medal. Dont forget to make a will :)

I was speaking to a moscovite in hisaronu in September. He was sound as fuck. There will be some idiots of course but Moscow will be used to tourists
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

greenie said:
de niro said:
Thanks Dave for posting that info. It sounds like the last place on earth to go and watch a football game.very off putting to be honest.

Cant fucking wait :-)

Exactly. People keep asking me "why are you going? Costs a fortune, corrupt, hostile, miles away and cold?" my reply is that's exactly why I'm going.

Can't wait for this me. Be an experience we won't forget in a hurry

"Cold"? - Fuck me, I thought it was their summer when I booked it ! I've packed shorts, flip-flops, T shirts and sun cream. Looks like I'll have to dig out me thermals and gloves.
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

John Wayne said:
scall said:
ped said:
sounds like a nightmare,and this is modern Russia,cold war Russia must of been hell,

I think Cold War Russia was just a completely different place that we just cannot comprehend. Trouble is, it's hard for some people to get out of that mentality.

It's for that reason I want to go. A beautiful and fascinating place, but it's just not what we're used to. I'm not expecting a great welcome from the vast majority of Moscovites at all. Some maybe, but I've got no misconceptions!

And to think that the club are awarding a meagre 20/40 loyalty points for this one. The lads had better turn up here, another half-arsed away performance and they will cop for some stick. All the advice suggests we're entering the closest thing to hell.

I know RUssia isn't a perfect country. But it's still very cute to me and other russians to read your opinions about our country)
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

Is anyone off of here organising a minibus/coach to and from the game?

Thomas Cook bus has sold out.
 
Re: CSKA Moscow v City (Wednesday 23 October)

scall said:
Also, VERY GOOD AND IMPORTANT TRAVEL ADVICE FROM ANN-MARIE AT THE FSF


GENERAL TIPS FOR MOSCOW (OR WHEREVER THE GAME MAY BE IN RUSSIA!)

Before you leave, email your hotel/hostel and ask them to send you the address in Cyrillic. Most Russian people don’t speak or understand English so it’s best to have the address wrote in a way taxi drivers etc will understand. Also take a photo of it on your mobile so you have it at hand.

On arrival, you will have to fill in a Migration Card. The card is in 2 sections - Part A and Part B. Both parts must be presented to the Immigration officer on arrival; they will take Part A and give you Part B. KEEP IT SAFE as you will need to present it upon leaving the country. If you lose it you will be fined and your departure could be seriously delayed.
Part B must be produced with your passport if you are stopped by authorities including the police. (See note below about handing passport over to authorities)

Expect long, long queues at Passport control - 2 hrs or more is the norm
Make sure your passport is safe when passing through the airport, particularly around the baggage collection area and arrival hall as there are increased numbers of British passports being stolen.

Keep the address of the British Embassy handy just in case anything should happen. See list below on what the British Embassy can/can’t do for you
British Embassy Moscow,
Smolenskaya Naberezhnya 10
121099 Moscow
Tel: +7 495 956 7200
Open: Mon-Fri 9am to 1pm and 2pm to 5pm (local time) (GMT +4)

The spiking of drinks is a regular occurrence, so keep an eye on your drinks at all times.

Pick-pockets operate around tourist areas and train stations etc. There are also bogus police officers who can harass tourists - usually they stop and ask to see your ID (passport) and then demand money to get it back. If you are stopped DO NOT hand anything over without first requesting to see ID.

If you are stopped and asked for your documents (whether official or bogus) remain calm at all times. Never allow anyone to search your pockets/bags in the street as you may later find things are missing. If you ask to see their ID and they refuse it, insist on calling the British Embassy. State this quite clearly to them and if it is genuine issue they won’t have a problem with this.

Don’t change money with street dealers - apart from being illegal, the majority of notes are fakes.

Try to use ATMS in shopping centres or banks in highly-populated areas which are usually covered by CCTV. Don’t exchange too much as Rubles officially can’t be exported and if you do manage to stash some in your luggage you won’t be able to change it once you are back home.

24hr chemists
• 36.6 Tverskaya 25. Nearest metro station: Pushkinskaha
• 57, B Tcherkizovskaya 8. Nearest metro station: Preobrazhenska Ploschad

Racially-motivated attacks do occur in Russia. Ensure you take extra care and never walk alone, especially at night.

Photographing any military buildings (including airports) is banned. You could be detained and questioned or arrested if you are caught taking pictures or recording on phones/cameras etc

You must carry your passport with you at all times, a copy of the information page will not be sufficient. If you are stopped and can’t produce your passport when asked, you will be fined.

Should you require any medical treatment you’ll have to pay for it (and it is expensive). Ensure you have comprehensive medical insurance and keep all receipts for any payments made for treatment/consultations etc so you can claim it back when you are home.

If you have an old, cheap phone or camera, bring them with you instead expensive, modern models. Calls, texts etc are expensive so if you are there for a few days it may well be worth investing in a Russian SIM card (about £3)

What the British Embassy can/can’t do:
They can
• Arrange for the issue of replacement travel documents if your passport is lost or stolen
• Help to find an English-speaking translator
• Find an English-speaking doctor should you require medical treatment
• Find you a lawyer
• Contact your family to let them know if something has happened to you

They can’t
• Give you legal advice
• Give you financial help i.e. to replace stolen property

Match day info
Drinking in public areas is not acceptable so don’t expect large crowds of fans congregating in a public square.
Old Arbat is the most likely place for fans to go, a pedestrianised street with bars, shops and fast food outlets (yep, including a McD’s and a Hard Rock Cafe). The area will be heavily policed and military and police will step in and break up any build up of large groups of fans.


A word of warning regarding Red Square
The area has an iconic, almost sacred status to Russian people, and there are strict rules about respecting the area. Taking photos of the buildings are OK but hanging flags anywhere in the vicinity is a definite no. When England visited there a few years ago a number of fans were shot at for attempting to hang flags. .... don’t say you haven’t been warned.

FINALLY:
A word about loos..... they aren’t ideal but if you’re desperate it’s best to pop into a restaurant or a museum if there’s one nearby and use their facilities; they are slightly better than the public loos. (Oh, and carry a packet of tissues or wet-wipes with you as they don’t usually have any paper!)

Thank fuck I picked Pilzen and Munich over that. Sounds worse than the ghetto.
 
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