Eggsy said:In my opinion Mancini was let down in January. We were 5 points clear and he asked to strengthen the squad for the final push and was refused the funds. Had we of brought in more strength in depth in January when Mancini asked for the funds we would still be top and would have the won before the rags visit in April.
Each to their own but say we finish level on points (more than possible), with 2 goals g/d between us.Rammy Blue said:That's a really weird logic, imo.
Whichever Manchester club wins the Prem has had a good season, the one that doesn't has had a shocker.
SWP's back said:Put it this way:Blue Hefner said:Can't agree about cups being a 'lottery'. There is an element of luck as far as who a team gets but that is where the look ends. To be beaten/knocked out of the cups by Utd, L'pool and Sporting Lisbon is a bad sign.
To judge progress you surely have to look at if a team is learning from its mistakes and given our away performances in the league and cup displays in my opinion does not show that management and players are learning from mistakes. In fact I would say that we are not even acknowledging them never mind learning from them!
Liverpool won the CC & are still in the semi's of the FA Cup, their team however, are shite. Anything can happen in one off games.
Utd got knocked out by Palace, Liverpool & Bilbao, no one is saying that they are having a bad season.
As I say, anything can happen in cup games which is why using them as a barometer to our season's success is fruitless, in my opinion of course.
I wouldn't say he is a miracle worker. I could see us winning 7 of our last 8 games. Utd will drop points (if they don't and finish on 97 pts it'll be a new record).JoeMercer'sWay said:SWP's back said:Put it this way:Blue Hefner said:Can't agree about cups being a 'lottery'. There is an element of luck as far as who a team gets but that is where the look ends. To be beaten/knocked out of the cups by Utd, L'pool and Sporting Lisbon is a bad sign.
To judge progress you surely have to look at if a team is learning from its mistakes and given our away performances in the league and cup displays in my opinion does not show that management and players are learning from mistakes. In fact I would say that we are not even acknowledging them never mind learning from them!
Liverpool won the CC & are still in the semi's of the FA Cup, their team however, are shite. Anything can happen in one off games.
Utd got knocked out by Palace, Liverpool & Bilbao, no one is saying that they are having a bad season.
As I say, anything can happen in cup games which is why using them as a barometer to our season's success is fruitless, in my opinion of course.
they're going to win the league, their fans won't care about Bilbao/Palace/Basel because they got the big prize at the end, and let's be honest they've done amazingly well to be where they are now.
We on the other hand are still pulling apart Napoli/United/Liverpool and Sporting, because we've ended up with nothing, which is extremely dissappointing and this season we essentially took 2 steps forward in the first half of the season then took 3 back. If we make the necessary improvements and take 5 permanent steps forward by the start of next season all is good, but I find Mancini far too one dimensional because the same problems have plagued us for the last 3 months, in fact they're getting worse.
If he learns from it, purchases accordingly and the owners fully back him, then I'll fully back him again next season.
I can't help feeling that I'd rather a manager who had flexibility and the winning mentality were in charge. If Mourinho came available I'd ship Mancini off to the Inter job tomorrow, but the owners have 7 games now to make all their plans for next season and act on them, and I'll back them either way.
And if you say we can still win the league, yes we technically can, but realistically taking everything into account we aren't going to.
If Mancini turns it around and achieves that, then he's a miracle worker quite frankly.
I cannot understand your reasoning at all here.Prestwich_Blue said:waht is arguably a poorer rags side than the one we finished 9 points behind last season.
I agree with that. We had a good Premier League season last season and so far this season, in our first title challenge for 35 years, we've matched our points total from last season. Therefore for me we've already had a good season up to now and anything we gain from here will be an improvement and will equate to a great season no matter where we finish.SWP's back said:Each to their own but say we finish level on points (more than possible), with 2 goals g/d between us.Rammy Blue said:That's a really weird logic, imo.
Whichever Manchester club wins the Prem has had a good season, the one that doesn't has had a shocker.
How to you equate that to one being a great season & the shocker. It's bloody ludicrous. Simplistic. Childlike etc.
SWP's back said:I wouldn't say he is a miracle worker. I could see us winning 7 of our last 8 games. Utd will drop points (if they don't and finish on 97 pts it'll be a new record).JoeMercer'sWay said:SWP's back said:Put it this way:
Liverpool won the CC & are still in the semi's of the FA Cup, their team however, are shite. Anything can happen in one off games.
Utd got knocked out by Palace, Liverpool & Bilbao, no one is saying that they are having a bad season.
As I say, anything can happen in cup games which is why using them as a barometer to our season's success is fruitless, in my opinion of course.
they're going to win the league, their fans won't care about Bilbao/Palace/Basel because they got the big prize at the end, and let's be honest they've done amazingly well to be where they are now.
We on the other hand are still pulling apart Napoli/United/Liverpool and Sporting, because we've ended up with nothing, which is extremely dissappointing and this season we essentially took 2 steps forward in the first half of the season then took 3 back. If we make the necessary improvements and take 5 permanent steps forward by the start of next season all is good, but I find Mancini far too one dimensional because the same problems have plagued us for the last 3 months, in fact they're getting worse.
If he learns from it, purchases accordingly and the owners fully back him, then I'll fully back him again next season.
I can't help feeling that I'd rather a manager who had flexibility and the winning mentality were in charge. If Mourinho came available I'd ship Mancini off to the Inter job tomorrow, but the owners have 7 games now to make all their plans for next season and act on them, and I'll back them either way.
And if you say we can still win the league, yes we technically can, but realistically taking everything into account we aren't going to.
If Mancini turns it around and achieves that, then he's a miracle worker quite frankly.
I'm glad I am not in the trenches with you though. Whilst I concede Utd are favourites, it's not nice to see that you have already crowned them.
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I cannot understand your reasoning at all here.Prestwich_Blue said:waht is arguably a poorer rags side than the one we finished 9 points behind last season.
United are a better squad this season than last. They signed well, brought back like Welbeck (far better player than Bluemooners think - I've seen such comments as "Wellshit" when he's clearly not!) and their younger players have that bit more experience as champions. They are much better than many Blues give them credit for.Prestwich_Blue said:My view at the start of the season was that finishing within 3 points of the rags (who I predicted would win it) would constitute a good season, as it gives us a great platform to win it next season. If we end up finishing 7 or 8 points behind them (and it could be more) then that isn't quite good enough, as we've really not improved against waht is arguably a poorer rags side than the one we finished 9 points behind last season.
Marvin said:Me too.CTID1988 said:Hope this is true
Money making a lot of City fans lose all sense of values and judgement. Success is based on continuity. In many ways City are similar to Chelsea. A rich owner buying the best. Let us learn from their mistakes and get a good manager in who can lay down the foundations for an era