Dangerous Dogs

callumcity said:
Unpopular opinion I’m sure but there are simply far too many dog owners in this country.

You can’t walk down the street without one getting in the way of your ankles and none of them are properly trained.

Official statistics say 13 million dogs and 31% of households having one. I say it’s more than that, that only tracks registered dogs.

Lockdown made this way worse, every wife in the country realised they hated their husband and bought a designer dog to spend time with instead.

I also believe it should be law that you can’t have a dog if you don’t have a garden. Cooping up a dog in an apartment is a disgrace.
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There is no overall dog register so no idea how they work out the numbers.
 
Rotties, Akitas and many other mastiff breeds can be just as big and muscular and/or do just as much damage, nobody is disputing that. If you're being told by people who study dog behaviour and train dogs for a living, professionals who have worked with all of them, that the Bully XL(the UK lineage in particular) is standing out. With examples and factual statistics to back that up and they are refusing to work with them, then why would anyone ignore that? They are more human aggressive and extremely over reactive, in comparison to any of the breeds people are trying to compare them with, so maybe it's not worth trying to make those comparisons as any sort of defence for the breed. It sounds like they are very hard to train and there are genetics making them predisposed to certain traits at play here(hence why at least one dog behaviour expert has been killed by one of these). Maybe some of these dogs don't have these genetics but quite a lot do(too many) by the looks of it and how will know you picked the short straw, until you find out?

Though it is true, a lot of the owners of this breed will be gangs and insecure thugs, some of the owners in these videos circulating, seem to be middle aged women and men and the likes(every day people) struggling to have any control over their dog. Given the above facts, it might not simply be that they are bad owners, who haven't attempted to socialise them etc.

It is true the gangs and thugs will move onto another powerful breed and some of those will be brought up to be human aggressive and out of control. So maybe it is time that is addressed too. But lets not act like this is a new phenomena either, so that simply can't explain the figures we have seen in the last 3 years, are like nothing we've seen before. Yes they are different.

I'm not actually calling for all of them to be destroyed, just have the owner come forward show they are suitable and willing to accept full liability, agree to keep it muzzled in public(why moan about this, when the alternatives are much worse) and so on. Maybe even have the dog checked over by a dog behaviourist, to see if it's one of the ticking time-bombs, if they are sure it is then neuter it definitely, I don't want to say euthanise it because surely there is better solution if it has done no wrong. Though I'm not sure what that is(don't keep it in a family house? make it a working guard dog... having a purpose like that normally helps). All of that, sounds like it would take too much effort and too many resources unfortunately though, to be fair.
 
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Metalartin said:
Rotties, Akitas and many other mastiff breeds can be just as big and muscular and/or do just as much damage, nobody is disputing that. If you're being told by people who study dog behaviour and train dogs for a living, professionals who have worked with all of them, that the Bully XL(the UK lineage in particular) is standing out. With examples and factual statistics to back that up and they are refusing to work with them, then why would anyone ignore that? They are more human aggressive and extremely over reactive, in comparison to any of the breeds people are trying to compare them with, so maybe it's not worth trying to make those comparisons as any sort of defence for the breed. It sounds like they are very hard to train and there are genetics making them predisposed to certain traits at play here(hence why at least one dog behaviour expert has been killed by one of these). Maybe some of these dogs don't have these genetics but quite a lot do(too many) by the looks of it and how will know you picked the short straw until you find out?

Though it is true, a lot of the owners of this breed will be gangs and insecure thugs, some of the owners in these videos circulating, seem to be middle aged women and men and the likes(every day people) struggling to have any control over their dog. Given the above facts, it might not simply be that they are bad owners, who haven't attempted to socialise them etc.

It is true the gangs and thugs will move onto another powerful breed and some of those will be brought up to be human aggressive and out of control. So maybe it is time that is addressed too. But lets not act like this is a new phenomena either, so that simply can't explain the figures we have seen in the last 3 years are like nothing we've seen before.

I'm not actually calling for all of them to be destroyed, just have the owner come forward show they are suitable and willing to accept full liability, agree to keep it muzzled in public(why moan about this, when the alternatives are much worse) and so on. Maybe even have the dog checked over by a dog behaviourist, to see if it's one of the ticking time-bombs, if they are sure it is then neuter it definitely, I don't want to say euthanise it because surely there is better solution if it has done no wrong. Though I'm not sure what that is(don't keep it in a family house? make it a working guard dog... having a purpose like that normally helps). All of that, sounds like it would take too much effort and too many resources unfortunately though, to be fair.
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Said before any dog over 20kg should be licenced.
 
Bigga said:
I was going to put this in a 'police' thread, but I guess it could fit just as well here.

Below may be upsetting, so don't click unless you're okay with context.

So, is this right or wrong...?

https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/...umatized-after-police-officer-shoot-their-dog
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Not convinced at all the dog was going to attack him, but I have a fair bit of experience in that field.
I think he shot it more out of the type of dog it was rather than any threat it posed.
 
Dirty Harry said:
Not convinced at all the dog was going to attack him, but I have a fair bit of experience in that field.
I think he shot it more out of the type of dog it was rather than any threat it posed.
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Agreed on the shooting reaction. I don't recall seeing any attempt to grab the animal or hearing the family call its name towards them (although they might have, too much chaos).

On the other side of it, those coppers are free to gun down Humans when they have a 'fear of their own safety', even if they're following instructions!
 
ganganvince said:
Said before any dog over 20kg should be licenced.
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I’ve said before, muzzle all dogs when outside, or none at all, huge fines for those that come up with that shit excuse “oh someone opened the door and it ran out”.
To expand on Metalartins post, I mentioned on here a while ago I was considering taking on another dog as they were looking to rehome him, it was a Red Beagle, well I saw it the other day, 1/3 of its body hair shaved around its neck and chest, it had been almost killed and ripped apart by the below dog, multiple scars thicker than my fingers, not a great picture but my best guess is something like a Rottie X Akita or similar, worst scars I’ve seen from a dog attack, IMG_3857.jpeg

Happened between Hindley and Westhoughton, long shot, but If anyone recognises the dog feel free to pm me.
 
Bigga said:
Agreed on the shooting reaction. I don't recall seeing any attempt to grab the animal or hearing the family call its name towards them (although they might have, too much chaos).

On the other side of it, those coppers are free to gun down Humans when they have a 'fear of their own safety', even if they're following instructions!
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Can’t say for sure without watching it again mate (which I don’t want to) but I’m sure they tried in the short time they were given, but yeah it was a pretty chaotic scene, loads going on, loads to assess.
 
If in doubt, shoot. Or run, because you're unlikely to have a gun about your person.
 
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