Big Joe Corrigan
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Great, I’ll bring him round at the weekend.
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Dangerous Dogs
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My experience is that they do not have an aggressive nature. My experience is that some owners of bull breeds embrace a sub-culture that encourages physical stimulation over socialisation and mental training. The consequences of that can be dire, naturally. The consequences will be the same when those same owners move to Presas, Cane Corsos, Borboels, or any of the large flock-protection breeds because of what I was saying earlier - breeding and ownership are the issues here, not the dogs intrinsic nature.Much of what you say is correct. But I think your judgement is clouded. Completely agree that medium and large dogs can become dangerous if they are neglected, not handled and not exercised properly.
But XL bullies do not belong as pets. Their breed heritage and aggressive nature means they are simply not suitable to living in urban and suburban areas. Where most people in the country live and where most dogs live.
It would be fine if their owners had large closed off spaces to walk them and they couldn't escape. But that isn't the case.
They are almost universally owned by morons who neglect their dogs. And now they can't be walked in public without a muzzle and on a leash at all times. How are they getting proper exercise without their owners walking them for 2-3 hours a day, every day?
It's not realistic to expect that is actually happening.
They're dangerous and they don't belong as pets.
Mr Kobayashi
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My experience is that they do not have an aggressive nature. My experience is that some owners of bull breeds embrace a sub-culture that encourages physical stimulation over socialisation and mental training. The consequences of that can be dire, naturally. The consequences will be the same when those same owners move to Presas, Cane Corsos, Borboels, or any of the large flock-protection breeds because of what I was saying earlier - breeding and ownership are the issues here, not the dogs intrinsic nature.
And all of the dogs you list are generally not suitable for urban or sub-urban areas. Dogs with unsurprisingly higher territorial instincts and that are more likely to be aggressive to strangers and other dogs.
How can you divorce a dog's nature from it's breeding? A dog may have inherited faults in it's behaviour from bad breeding. How do you stop that when XL bullies are so inbred and most of the studs are descended from one dog?
If those breeds you listed start attacking at the same rate, they should also be banned.
My experience is that they do not have an aggressive nature. My experience is that some owners of bull breeds embrace a sub-culture that encourages physical stimulation over socialisation and mental training. The consequences of that can be dire, naturally. The consequences will be the same when those same owners move to Presas, Cane Corsos, Borboels, or any of the large flock-protection breeds because of what I was saying earlier - breeding and ownership are the issues here, not the dogs intrinsic nature.
But the thing is as someone else said the vast majority of owners of these dogs are idiots so would it not be worth just banning them
mexico1970
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My experience is that they do not have an aggressive nature. My experience is that some owners of bull breeds embrace a sub-culture that encourages physical stimulation over socialisation and mental training. The consequences of that can be dire, naturally. The consequences will be the same when those same owners move to Presas, Cane Corsos, Borboels, or any of the large flock-protection breeds because of what I was saying earlier - breeding and ownership are the issues here, not the dogs intrinsic nature.
You come across as a person who has the skills and patience to handle these dogs mate, the point is though not everyone has your attributes and dedication to looking after Dogs properly.
Scottyboi
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You come across as a person who has the skills and patience to handle these dogs mate, the point is though not everyone has your attributes and dedication to looking after Dogs properly.
Especially when the majority of the owners are 9 stone bellends smoking a spliff thinking the dog makes them hard.
Pedigree dogs are mostly inbred.And all of the dogs you list are generally not suitable for urban or sub-urban areas. Dogs with unsurprisingly higher territorial instincts and that are more likely to be aggressive to strangers and other dogs.
How can you divorce a dog's nature from it's breeding? A dog may have inherited faults in it's behaviour from bad breeding. How do you stop that when XL bullies are so inbred and most of the studs are descended from one dog?
If those breeds you listed start attacking at the same rate, they should also be banned.
I would agree that large dogs in urban environments represent an issue.
We come back to the issue of breeding and ownership again and again. It is the demand for large, powerful breeds that is the main issue. Banning breeds will not solve that.
mexico1970
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Especially when the majority of the owners are 9 stone bellends smoking a spliff thinking the dog makes them hard.
Saw a fella with two of these Dogs outside Piccadilly train station, the **** was walking them whilst he was riding a bike.
It's fair to say I took another route.