Dani Alves

[domalino]

And that's exactly why they're offloading Dani Alves right when they should, for 5 million too. If you go watch Juve's league games on fullmatchesandshows you'll see Dani Alves isn't all what you see against Monaco. The intelligence, the technique, the class is there but his physicality and pace are far from his old self in Barcelona 3 or 4 years ago.

I'm not against Dani Alves, I welcome someone like him in the team, he'll be a very valuable addition if he's brought in for rotation and for his experience but Pep should finish the signing of priority fullbacks for both flanks this week before they go to other teams. Since yesterday I'm reading that Chelsea are all over Sandro and are ready to pay big money. We should be working on Sandro and players like Sandro instead.

Since you brought up Bayern, go ask Bayern fans how they feel about Xabi Alonso that Pep took to Bayern. Ask if they care about Alonso's experience or if they all hated him because of how slow he was because of his age but how Pep kept playing him anyway. They all hate Pep with a passion for neglecting their defence and paying for it. Sam Lee and all other accounts said the owners gave Pep the greenlight to buy whoever he needs. I hope to see some serious business done this week with our first choice defensive targets.

I'm sorry but that's all complete shite, and there's no other way of saying it.

They are letting him go because he wants to leave, which is Juventus' policy. If Dybala said he wanted to leave, they'd let him, it doesn't mean they should let him go.

Secondly, I've seen plenty of Juve matches in Serie A & Copa Italia over the season, and to say Alves' pace and physicality has gone is just factually wrong.

but Pep should finish the signing of priority fullbacks for both flanks this week before they go to other teams.

This is just a painfuly stupid line of thinking. Just because the 2 year, £5m deal gets done before the 5+, £40m+ deal gets done doesn't mean one is prioritised, it just means deals move at different speeds.


Also, your last paragraph about Xabi Alonso is complete and utter bullshit, and you need look no further than the reception Alonso got when he retired. Not to mention, Guardiola never neglected the defence and never had full control over incoming transfers, something that every Bayern Munich fan knows, so they would never blame Guardiola even if the defence was neglected (which it was not). @Maldeika might be around to prove this wrong, Bayern fans hating Alonso is complete bullshit, not to mention the fact that Ancelotti played him almost as much this year (only 1 game less), so...do they hate Ancelotti and Pep, or just Pep?

To be honest, the absurdity of that last paragraph pretty much confirms your opinions aren't based in reality at all. The "Alves has lost his legs" was nonsense, the flapping about Sandro signing Chelsea was funny, the "why is Alves being signed before Walker goes elsewhere" was stupid, but the "Alonso is public enemy #1 in Munich" paragraph took things to Trumpian levels of alternative facts.

 

[Marvin]

And that's exactly why they're offloading Dani Alves right when they should, for 5 million too. If you go watch Juve's league games on fullmatchesandshows you'll see Dani Alves isn't all what you see against Monaco. The intelligence, the technique, the class is there but his physicality and pace are far from his old self in Barcelona 3 or 4 years ago.

I'm not against Dani Alves, I welcome someone like him in the team, he'll be a very valuable addition if he's brought in for rotation and for his experience but Pep should finish the signing of priority fullbacks for both flanks this week before they go to other teams. Since yesterday I'm reading that Chelsea are all over Sandro and are ready to pay big money. We should be working on Sandro and players like Sandro instead.

Since you brought up Bayern, go ask Bayern fans how they feel about Xabi Alonso that Pep took to Bayern. Ask if they care about Alonso's experience or if they all hated him because of how slow he was because of his age but how Pep kept playing him anyway. They all hate Pep with a passion for neglecting their defence and paying for it. Sam Lee and all other accounts said the owners gave Pep the greenlight to buy whoever he needs. I hope to see some serious business done this week with our first choice defensive targets.

Just because news breaks about one transfer doesn't mean that all the others are being ignored although I agree we need to be careful about our left backs targets as other clubs are in the market too.

 

[rollingnakedinmoney]

I'm sorry but that's all complete shite, and there's no other way of saying it.

They are letting him go because he wants to leave, which is Juventus' policy. If Dybala said he wanted to leave, they'd let him, it doesn't mean they should let him go.

Secondly, I've seen plenty of Juve matches in Serie A & Copa Italia over the season, and to say Alves' pace and physicality has gone is just factually wrong.




This is just a painfuly stupid line of thinking. Just because the 2 year, £5m deal gets done before the 5+, £40m+ deal gets done doesn't mean one is prioritised, it just means deals move at different speeds.


Also, your last paragraph about Xabi Alonso is complete and utter bullshit, and you need look no further than the reception Alonso got when he retired. Not to mention, Guardiola never neglected the defence and never had full control over incoming transfers, something that every Bayern Munich fan knows, so they would never blame Guardiola even if the defence was neglected (which it was not). @Maldeika might be around to prove this wrong, Bayern fans hating Alonso is complete bullshit.

To be honest, the absurdity of that last paragraph pretty much confirms your opinions aren't based in reality at all.

You're so full of it mate, it's funny to read you at times.

Go read Bayern forums, they have two of them, and they also have a plenty of them in reddit. They still hate him deeply for neglecting their defence, for his training methods injuring their players. Yes the reception Alonso got when he retired was probably in tears of happiness that he was no longer gonna play. They were all so happy that he was gone.

Instead of arguing here, you're a poster on reddit, go ask Bayern fans there, they even posted these things there many times. I wasn't giving much credit to what they said before because they're a spoiled bunch but if I see the same things being done here then I'll read their comments in a different light.

They are letting him go because he wants to leave, which is Juventus' policy. If Dybala said he wanted to leave, they'd let him, it doesn't mean they should let him go.

Yes and the difference is they would let Dybala leave for 100+m, Alex Sandro for 60-70m, and Dani Alves for 5m. Five.

I said I welcome someone like Dani Alves for everything he'll bring, as long as he's not our main fullback and we have a good one incoming. I also wish to see our other priority defensive signings done soon before they go somewhere else. Like London.

 

[rollingnakedinmoney]

Just because news breaks about one transfer doesn't mean that all the others are being ignored although I agree we need to be careful about our left backs targets as other clubs are in the market too.

I hope so mate. I want us the get the best of these players so we don't keep looking for upgrades again.

 

[Akiva]

Yes and the difference is they would let Dybala leave for 100+m, Alex Sandro for 60-70m, and Dani Alves for 5m. Five.

Mate, they got Alves on a free last year. He's 34 and will walk on a free next year too. No club would pay more than 5m for him, it has nothing to do with quality.

 

[Rolee]

You're so full of it mate, it's funny to read you at times.

Go read Bayern forums, they have two of them, and they also have a plenty of them in reddit. They still hate him deeply for neglecting their defence, for his training methods injuring their players. Yes the reception Alonso got when he retired was probably in tears of happiness that he was no longer gonna play. They were all so happy that he was gone.

Instead of arguing here, you're a poster on reddit, go ask Bayern fans there, they even posted these things there many times. I wasn't giving much credit to what they said before because they're a spoiled bunch but if I see the same things being done here then I'll read their comments in a different light.



Yes and the difference is they would let Dybala leave for 100+m, Alex Sandro for 60-70m, and Dani Alves for 5m. Five.

I said I welcome someone like Dani Alves for everything he'll bring, as long as he's not our main fullback and we have a good one incoming. I also wish to see our other priority defensive signings done soon before they go somewhere else. Like London.

With all due mate, judging how a fanbase feels by what's said online is a mug's game. The tinterweb seems to attract the moaners (probably because people won't listen to their shit in person)and from my experience at least isn't all that reflective of the general feeling amongst fanbases.

 

[domalino]

You're so full of it mate, it's funny to read you at times.

Go read Bayern forums, they have two of them, and they also have a plenty of them in reddit. They still hate him deeply for neglecting their defence, for his training methods injuring their players. Yes the reception Alonso got when he retired was probably in tears of happiness that he was no longer gonna play. They were all so happy that he was gone.

Instead of arguing here, you're a poster on reddit, go ask Bayern fans there, they even posted these things there many times. I wasn't giving much credit to what they said before because they're a spoiled bunch but if I see the same things being done here then I'll read their comments in a different light.



Yes and the difference is they would let Dybala leave for 100+m, Alex Sandro for 60-70m, and Dani Alves for 5m. Five.

I said I welcome someone like Dani Alves for everything he'll bring, as long as he's not our main fullback and we have a good one incoming. I also wish to see our other priority defensive signings done soon before they go somewhere else. Like London.

I suppose we should take your bullshit one bit at a time.

1) "They still hate Pep for neglecting their defence". How did he neglect it? He doesn't have full control over transfers, so it's not his to neglect, not to mention they had a superior defensive record in every season under Guardiola than under Ancelotti despite buying Hummels.

2)"His training methods injured players" - Funny how our injury record significantly improved, Aguero, Clichy and Silva having their first injury free seasons in years, and his record at Barcelona was incredible but it's his fault Bayern had injury problems - injury problems which still persist after he's gone.

It's almost like Guardiola wasn't the problem at all.

3)"the reception Alonso got when he retired was probably in tears of happiness that he was no longer gonna play". This is just so obviously not true that I don't think it needs to be proven wrong, No one gave Jesus Navas a full standing ovation for minutes after he made his last appearance.

4)"Instead of arguing here, you're a poster on reddit, go ask Bayern fans there, they even posted these things there many times." I am, and that's why I know you're completely wrong, because all of them think he was a great player a little past his best, but was very useful and none of them have ever expressed regret that he came.

5)Yes and the difference is they would let Dybala leave for 100+m, Alex Sandro for 60-70m, and Dani Alves for 5m. Five. Yes you cretin - because he's a 34 year old fullback they got on a free. It doesn't mean they don't want him to stay, it doesn't mean he wasn't integral to their CL run last season, it just means he's obviously a player with little transfer value.

6) I also wish to see our other priority defensive signings done soon before they go somewhere else. Like London. As stated above, and by absolutely everyone with a brain, this isn't a thing. No one is going "Quick, while Txiki is distracted with Alves, lets sign Walker for £45m overnight!"

 

[rollingnakedinmoney]

Mate, they got Alves on a free last year. He's 34 and will walk on a free next year too. No club would pay more than 5m for him, it has nothing to do with quality.

I think I have to put it into my signature that I'm not against Dani Alves, as long as we have some priority fullback in mind and Dani Alves is here to rotate with him. Then he'll be a valuable addition.

Thing about Dani Alves and Juventus is they're renown for their defence, they don't play like we do. Our defenders play in halfway line, so we need defenders who are pacey when the opponents break and who have lots of stamina to play that way week in and week out. We saw how that burned us this season.

With all due mate, judging how a fanbase feels by what's said online is a mug's game. The tinterweb seems to attract the moaners (probably because people won't listen to their shit in person)and from my experience at least isn't all that reflective of the general feeling amongst fanbases.

I laugh at them because they're spoiled and jealous but some of the things they were saying rings a bell when I read Sam Lee saying that a new defender isn't a priority because Pep wants to wait for Mbappe, when we have 0 fullbacks and 3 CBs + Kolarov. I'm sorry if I'm overreacting because I see reports about our rivals monkeying around with our targets.

 

[Akiva]

I think I have to put it into my signature that I'm not against Dani Alves, as long as we have some priority fullback in mind and Dani Alves is here to rotate with him. Then he'll be a valuable addition.

Nobody has ever said we'd only be signing Dani Alves, so this is just a red herring. You preface arguments against him with "I'm not against him" then act frustrated when called on it.

Our defenders play in halfway line,

You mean the way defenders play at say, Barcelona? The club Alves played at a year ago?

Also, you do know Juventus often played him as an AMR, including in the CL final, right?

so we need defenders who are pacey when the opponents break and who have lots of stamina to play that way week in and week out. We saw how that burned us this season.

And that's why Pep seemingly wants Alves.

 

[rollingnakedinmoney]

I suppose we should take your bullshit one bit at a time.

1) "They still hate Pep for neglecting their defence". How did he neglect it? He doesn't have full control over transfers, so it's not his to neglect, not to mention they had a superior defensive record in every season under Guardiola than under Ancelotti despite buying Hummels.

I don't know, ask them, maybe they're referring to getting knocked out every year by getting beat on counterattacks all the time? Ring a bell? Do you remember how miserable our fullbacks and defenders looked this season on these counterattacks? That's why we need first class, pacey fullbacks and defenders to play his game.

5)Yes and the difference is they would let Dybala leave for 100+m, Alex Sandro for 60-70m, and Dani Alves for 5m. Five. Yes you cretin - because he's a 34 year old fullback they got on a free. It doesn't mean they don't want him to stay, it doesn't mean he wasn't integral to their CL run last season, it just means he's obviously a player with little transfer value.

Yes, and I said I welcome Alves for what he brings as long as he's not our main FB and we get our priority targets for fullbacks.

6) I also wish to see our other priority defensive signings done soon before they go somewhere else. Like London. As stated above, and by absolutely everyone with a brain, this isn't a thing. No one is going "Quick, while Txiki is distracted with Alves, lets sign Walker for £45m overnight!"

I don't care about Walker. It could be Walker, Sandro, that Porto player I forgot his name, Mendy. I wanna see it done. I don't wanna see them go to rivals while we think they're 3 million too expensive because good fullbacks are rare and our rivals need them too, and that's not Walker. Who's that Porto guy that Spurs were gonna replace Walker with? It could be him too. I don't care.

Everytime I read about Sanchez and Mbappe I think "we have ZERO fullbacks and 3 CBs and Kolarov.

 

[domalino]

I don't know, ask them, maybe they're referring to getting knocked out every year by getting beat on counterattacks all the time? Ring a bell? Do you remember how miserable our fullbacks and defenders looked this season on these counterattacks? That's why we need first class, pacey fullbacks and defenders to play his game.



Yes, and I said I welcome Alves for what he brings as long as he's not our main FB and we get our priority targets for fullbacks.



I don't care about Walker. It could be Walker, Sandro, that Porto player I forgot his name, Mendy. I wanna see it done. I don't wanna see them go to rivals while we think they're 3 million too expensive because good fullbacks are rare and our rivals need them too, and that's not Walker. Who's that Porto guy that Spurs were gonna replace Walker with? It could be him too. I don't care.

Everytime I read about Sanchez and Mbappe I think "we have ZERO fullbacks and 3 CBs and Kolarov.

That's why we need first class, pacey fullbacks and defenders to play his game.

Hmm, yes, like Alves...

If you're going to keep throwing a hissy fit because the signings aren't done in the exact order you wish them to be, perhaps just try taking a break until August, because the deals will be done as and when they can be, not on the order that is most likely to placate hysterical fans who can't wait 3 weeks for the squad to be put together.

Also, if you watched any European football during the time you'd know Bayern's semi-final defeats under Guardiola were more to do with the catastrophic injury lists, which as pointed out above clearly weren't his fault as Bayern are the only club he's suffered them in, and the only club who have a nutjob private holistic medicine doctor treating the players.


But considering the lack of critical thinking skills you've shown over the last few posts I don't suppose I should be surprised you missed that as well.

 

[rollingnakedinmoney]

Nobody has ever said we'd only be signing Dani Alves, so this is just a red herring. You preface arguments against him with "I'm not against him" then act frustrated when called on it.

I'm not frustrated when I'm called on it because my very first post on it said Dani Alves is fine as long as we get our priority targets.

Dani Alves isn't what I'm arguing about here, the other targets are.

Frustrated when called upon Dani Alves? No.

Frustrated about not being aggressive on our would-be-main targets? Definitely.

You mean the way defenders play at say, Barcelona? The club Alves played at a year ago?

Also, you do know Juventus often played him as an AMR, including in the CL final, right?

Yes, or as a wingback, with world class defenders behind him in a team renown for their defending tactics. Hands down. We don't play like them and we don't have those defenders either, where are they?

Alves at Barca was different, he was younger, faster. Again, I don't have a problem with him as long as we get our other targets. Then he'll be great for 25-30 matches on rotation as long as we sign other targets.

Sam Lee and everyone else claimed we were targeting Sandro, then Mendy, Walker. Now I'm reading that the negotiations hit a dead end because of how much their clubs are asking, so suddenly Dani Alves appeared. That's what I'm not happy with. Not if we think 40m is too much for Mendy when Chelsea are offering 60m for Sandro. Why aren't we even going after Sandro if he's available, he's one of the best fullbacks out there?

You get someone like that, you don't look back for a few years.

 

[aguerooooo]

DE JA VU MAICON ANYBODY?

 

[BillyShears]

@rollingnakedinmoney I think you're following the media narratively a little too literally. The reality is that City are still trying to sign the same list of key targets they were a month ago. Walker, Mendy, and Bertrand are on that list of key targets along with Alves. The fact that Alves' name has only just been linked publicly in this window doesn't have any baring on other targets. Just means that somebody somewhere has gotten wind of Alves agreeing the move to City and leaked it to Marca ( that's where the story originated ).

I appreciate that may feel like we're not being "aggressive" enough with our targets but I want you to step back and consider something. Pre season training is 3 weeks away. So there is patently no IMMEDIATE rush to get players in today/tomorrow. Gives the club some room to negotiate with selling clubs.

I've said this before but I think sometimes the club can't win. They're constantly being accused of overpaying for players, but then as soon as a transfer window opens, there's also people demanding the club pay whatever it takes. My own take on it - and it's pretty simplistic but it makes the point - is that it's easy if you're only signing one or two players to overpay. But when you have a marketplace like the one this summer where the cost of every transfer potentially has an inflationary effect on the next transfer, it stands to reason that every club will negotiate as hard as they can to get the best deal they can.

There's so many games being played right now between clubs, agents, etc.

 

[Cityfan]

DE JA VU MAICON ANYBODY?

Personally talk of Maicon is wide of the mark.
Firstly he was already considered a bit more past it than Alves when he arrived.
Secondly his big problem was injury shortly after he joined us

Thirdly he was bought mainly as a wing back to go with a back three that Mancini gave up on fairly quickly.
Fourthly on the few occasions he did play he wasn't actually to bad but Zab was a lot better so he didn't play much.

 

[waspish]

DE JA VU MAICON ANYBODY?

Read the thread from the beginning that has been answered mate!

Next!

 

[aguerooooo]

The main reason we have not moved on to be the successful team we should have been .is the ability to buy players who are in some cases not an improvement on what we have sold

 

[Ian]

DE JA VU MAICON ANYBODY?

I think it's previously been said that Maicon's game was built on strength and speed. He lost that suddenly and wasn't the player he was. Alves seems by all accounts has this in abundance still.

 

[Akiva]

Frustrated about not being aggressive on our would-be-main targets? Definitely.

Who said City aren't being aggressive on their main targets? You? Sounds like "old man yells at cloud" syndrome to me.

Yes, or as a wingback, with world class defenders behind him in a team renown for their defending tactics. Hands down. We don't play like them and we don't have those defenders either, where are they?

Now you're just moving the goalposts. You claimed he didn't have the pace to bomb up the wings as would be required for a Guardiola-style fullback. Now you are questioning his defensive ability. Meanwhile, you seem to think our squad has some sort of identity that eludes even Pep.

Alves at Barca was different,

Alves at Barca was one year ago.

he was younger,

By one year.

Again, I don't have a problem with him as long as we get our other targets.

Despite quoting a long list of problems you have with him, most of your own invention, you still maintain you have no problem with him.

Then he'll be great for 25-30 matches on rotation as long as we sign other targets.

I agree, but I thought he's too old, too slow and doesn't have good enough defenders behind him?

Sam Lee and everyone else claimed we were targeting Sandro, then Mendy, Walker.

Sandro and Mendy are left backs, so are therefore irrelevant to the discussion.

Walker is still a target, as per Sam Lee.

Now I'm reading that the negotiations hit a dead end because of how much their clubs are asking, so suddenly Dani Alves appeared.

And you think the club, with access to unlimited resources, will make do with only Dani Alves this summer after letting so many defenders go? Or is it possible that, on June the 19th, things might take just a little bit longer to get sorted than what you'd like?

That's what I'm not happy with. Not if we think 40m is too much for Mendy when Chelsea are offering 60m for Sandro. Why aren't we even going after Sandro if he's available, he's one of the best fullbacks out there?

Maybe Pep likes Mendy more. What then?

You get someone like that, you don't look back for a few years.

You're going to want to not look back at this thread for many years to come, I can assure you.

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The main reason we have not moved on to be the successful team we should have been .is the ability to buy players who are in some cases not an improvement on what we have sold

Dani Alves, the FIFA right back of the year, is on par with Jesus Navas according to this expert opinion. Fuck me.

 

[rollingnakedinmoney]

Hmm, yes, like Alves...

If you're going to keep throwing a hissy fit because the signings aren't done in the exact order you wish them to be, perhaps just try taking a break until August, because the deals will be done as and when they can be, not on the order that is most likely to placate hysterical fans who can't wait 3 weeks for the squad to be put together.

It's not about the a-b-c-d order they're done, it's about not getting them done because they're a few million too much when I fucking read Chelsea's name in a 60m bid for Alex Sandro and that he might be handing in a transfer request.

Are you fucking going to say that he wasn't a priority target when even Marti Perarnau says Pep wanted him since last year?

http://www.mcfcwatch.com/2017/05/02...s-about-manchester-citys-plans-going-forward/

Then Sam Lee said Mendy is a priority target. Where's Mendy? He's not even as outrageously expensive as the other one, 40m is nothing in today's market. Cheaper than what they ask for Walker.

You buy a fullback or other player, you buy 'em best, so you don't have to look for upgrades every other year while searching for a place to loan your player because his wages are too high and no one wants to buy them. Haven't we been through this already? You buy the best now so you don't look back for the next 5 years.

Also, if you watched any European football during the time you'd know Bayern's semi-final defeats under Guardiola were more to do with the catastrophic injury lists, which as pointed out above clearly weren't his fault as Bayern are the only club he's suffered them in, and the only club who have a nutjob private holistic medicine doctor treating the players.

Only when they played Barcelona. What about Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid? They had a full team against them. I'm just curious, why such blind worship when we say we need better, younger, faster fullbacks and players?

Do you think, in your critical thinking mind, that we are against the club? I'm not the only one you're arguing here, you're like fighting everyone who's saying the same.