Daniel Agger (continued)

£25M?!

Ridiculous. Stupid. Preposterous.

None of that means we wouldn't, just describes my own feelings on it. He has virtually NO resale value and will walk away at the end of a 4 yr deal on a free, with all the money going into his own pocket.

There is a sliding scale between age and fee. Agger is at the cheap end of that scale that would require him to be absolutely world class to be anywhere close to £25M. He is not, by ANYONE'S measure.

Throw in about £5M in wages and he becomes an aging, fragile centre half costing £45M?!!

It is a silly joke for anyone with ANY business sense.

£25M fees should be reserved for people who CHANGE GAMES....goal scorers and creative midfielders. I think it is widely acknowledged that £22M was excessive for Lescott. WE are not that team anymore, nor should we allow ourselves to be treated that way.

RVP @ £25M? If he makes the difference between winning the league and not, he MIGHT be worth it to some teams. Agger @ £25M? For a defender who will not simply walk into the team? Nonsensical!

How ridiculous would it seem to have a back three of Kompany, Agger and Lescott, with VK @£6M, DA @ £25M, and JL @ £22M? VK worth 1/4 of EITHER of the others?!!!

And, £53M of defenders with the world's best 'keeper behind them.........costing £500K!

We are no longer the bitches of the transfer market. If someone does not want to come here, fuck 'em and move on. Maybe that attitude is better to learn upfront, instead of a season or two in. London, Paris, Milan, Barca, Madrid, etc...will ALWAYS be more attractive to the top players (AND THEIR FAMILIES!) than Manchester, as long as those teams are in the CL every year and able to pay top tier wages.

Sure, players have come to Manchester to play for United, but until we are able to stay at the top for at least a few years on the run, and get deep into the CL, Manchester and Man City will always be able to be set to one side.

THAT is why Mansour is building a foundation for the future. His investment only pays off with CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT AND PERFORMANCE, and he is unwilling to pay £100M in transfer fees every year, because it can NEVER pay off.

Is Suarez the next Silva? We hope so! Razak the next Yaya? Rekik the next Joleon? SOMEONE has to take their place over time, and throwing £100M at it every year is not the way forward.

So, Agger @ £25M is everything Mansour does NOT want to happen here at City....and I am with him.
 
SilvaisSkyBlue said:
You make some good points in your posts, but ''MAD MONEY'' is what Liverpool paid for Carroll, Downing, Henderson and the mighty Adam.

Those 4 gems were 80-85 million!!! Yes we know you got 50 million for Torres but the money was well and truly squandered by KK.

I personally think that if Liverpool want more than 20 million for Agger then City should move on to other targets, 25+ million is not far of what players like Martinez are available for and IMO he would be much better value.

Just to make the point Kenny may have wanted those players but the man who paid the mad money was Damien Comolli. Arsene Wenger called him a glorified scout, sacked from Tottenham. We hired him because the owners were good mates with Billy Beane the guy who wrote money ball who was friends with Damien. He was rubbish in the transfer market and hasn't got a clue what he was doing as commercial director. By all means blame Kenny for the targets but he was the reason we did such poor deals and pissed away millions. More bad judgement on the part of our new owners, hiring a director of football on the recommendation of a mate.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
£25M?!

Ridiculous. Stupid. Preposterous.

None of that means we wouldn't, just describes my own feelings on it. He has virtually NO resale value and will walk away at the end of a 4 yr deal on a free, with all the money going into his own pocket.

There is a sliding scale between age and fee. Agger is at the cheap end of that scale that would require him to be absolutely world class to be anywhere close to £25M. He is not, by ANYONE'S measure.

Throw in about £5M in wages and he becomes an aging, fragile centre half costing £45M?!!

It is a silly joke for anyone with ANY business sense.

£25M fees should be reserved for people who CHANGE GAMES....goal scorers and creative midfielders. I think it is widely acknowledged that £22M was excessive for Lescott. WE are not that team anymore, nor should we allow ourselves to be treated that way.

RVP @ £25M? If he makes the difference between winning the league and not, he MIGHT be worth it to some teams. Agger @ £25M? For a defender who will not simply walk into the team? Nonsensical!

How ridiculous would it seem to have a back three of Kompany, Agger and Lescott, with VK @£6M, DA @ £25M, and JL @ £22M? VK worth 1/4 of EITHER of the others?!!!

And, £53M of defenders with the world's best 'keeper behind them.........costing £500K!

We are no longer the bitches of the transfer market. If someone does not want to come here, fuck 'em and move on. Maybe that attitude is better to learn upfront, instead of a season or two in. London, Paris, Milan, Barca, Madrid, etc...will ALWAYS be more attractive to the top players (AND THEIR FAMILIES!) than Manchester, as long as those teams are in the CL every year and able to pay top tier wages.

Sure, players have come to Manchester to play for United, but until we are able to stay at the top for at least a few years on the run, and get deep into the CL, Manchester and Man City will always be able to be set to one side.

THAT is why Mansour is building a foundation for the future. His investment only pays off with CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT AND PERFORMANCE, and he is unwilling to pay £100M in transfer fees every year, because it can NEVER pay off.

Is Suarez the next Silva? We hope so! Razak the next Yaya? Rekik the next Joleon? SOMEONE has to take their place over time, and throwing £100M at it every year is not the way forward.

So, Agger @ £25M is everything Mansour does NOT want to happen here at City....and I am with him.
Can somebody please summarize this in one or two sentences?
 
pudge said:
ChicagoBlue said:
£25M?!

Ridiculous. Stupid. Preposterous.

None of that means we wouldn't, just describes my own feelings on it. He has virtually NO resale value and will walk away at the end of a 4 yr deal on a free, with all the money going into his own pocket.

There is a sliding scale between age and fee. Agger is at the cheap end of that scale that would require him to be absolutely world class to be anywhere close to £25M. He is not, by ANYONE'S measure.

Throw in about £5M in wages and he becomes an aging, fragile centre half costing £45M?!!

It is a silly joke for anyone with ANY business sense.

£25M fees should be reserved for people who CHANGE GAMES....goal scorers and creative midfielders. I think it is widely acknowledged that £22M was excessive for Lescott. WE are not that team anymore, nor should we allow ourselves to be treated that way.

RVP @ £25M? If he makes the difference between winning the league and not, he MIGHT be worth it to some teams. Agger @ £25M? For a defender who will not simply walk into the team? Nonsensical!

How ridiculous would it seem to have a back three of Kompany, Agger and Lescott, with VK @£6M, DA @ £25M, and JL @ £22M? VK worth 1/4 of EITHER of the others?!!!

And, £53M of defenders with the world's best 'keeper behind them.........costing £500K!

We are no longer the bitches of the transfer market. If someone does not want to come here, fuck 'em and move on. Maybe that attitude is better to learn upfront, instead of a season or two in. London, Paris, Milan, Barca, Madrid, etc...will ALWAYS be more attractive to the top players (AND THEIR FAMILIES!) than Manchester, as long as those teams are in the CL every year and able to pay top tier wages.

Sure, players have come to Manchester to play for United, but until we are able to stay at the top for at least a few years on the run, and get deep into the CL, Manchester and Man City will always be able to be set to one side.

THAT is why Mansour is building a foundation for the future. His investment only pays off with CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT AND PERFORMANCE, and he is unwilling to pay £100M in transfer fees every year, because it can NEVER pay off.

Is Suarez the next Silva? We hope so! Razak the next Yaya? Rekik the next Joleon? SOMEONE has to take their place over time, and throwing £100M at it every year is not the way forward.

So, Agger @ £25M is everything Mansour does NOT want to happen here at City....and I am with him.
Can somebody please summarize this in one or two sentences?
Panic. Lots and lots of panic.
 
Y.N.W.A. said:
pudge said:
Can somebody please summarize this in one or two sentences?

tl;dr - Agger makes poor business sense and tbh he's probably right.

pretty much. From a financial perspective, this deal is looking poor for us.

For 25m, it makes more sense to go shop in the depths of La Liga or Ligue 1.
 
Selling him for a price that makes sense for you guys, doesn't make sense for us. Selling him at all doesn't really make sense for us, hence the steep price I guess.
 
pudge said:
ChicagoBlue said:
Pudge,

N....O......

He....is.....not....worth....it.

Why not just say that?

I tried to detail the reason WHY I felt that way. Otherwise, every thread could just be a poll, couldn't it?

"Agger: Worth it or not? Vote yes or no."

That's all it was...an explanation.
 

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