Daniel Agger (continued)

[pudge]

Pudge,

N....O......

He....is.....not....worth....it.

Why not just say that?

I tried to detail the reason WHY I felt that way. Otherwise, every thread could just be a poll, couldn't it?

"Agger: Worth it or not? Vote yes or no."

That's all it was...an explanation.

Fair enough, mine was just a question/request, the snide reply was unnecessary.

But each to their own, let's not derail the thread.

I'm not arsed either way if he signs, decent player but like you say not really worth it for that much.

 

[VOOMER]

£25M?!

Ridiculous. Stupid. Preposterous.

None of that means we wouldn't, just describes my own feelings on it. He has virtually NO resale value and will walk away at the end of a 4 yr deal on a free, with all the money going into his own pocket.

There is a sliding scale between age and fee. Agger is at the cheap end of that scale that would require him to be absolutely world class to be anywhere close to £25M. He is not, by ANYONE'S measure.

Throw in about £5M in wages and he becomes an aging, fragile centre half costing £45M?!!

It is a silly joke for anyone with ANY business sense.

£25M fees should be reserved for people who CHANGE GAMES....goal scorers and creative midfielders. I think it is widely acknowledged that £22M was excessive for Lescott. WE are not that team anymore, nor should we allow ourselves to be treated that way.

RVP @ £25M? If he makes the difference between winning the league and not, he MIGHT be worth it to some teams. Agger @ £25M? For a defender who will not simply walk into the team? Nonsensical!

How ridiculous would it seem to have a back three of Kompany, Agger and Lescott, with VK @£6M, DA @ £25M, and JL @ £22M? VK worth 1/4 of EITHER of the others?!!!

And, £53M of defenders with the world's best 'keeper behind them.........costing £500K!

We are no longer the bitches of the transfer market. If someone does not want to come here, fuck 'em and move on. Maybe that attitude is better to learn upfront, instead of a season or two in. London, Paris, Milan, Barca, Madrid, etc...will ALWAYS be more attractive to the top players (AND THEIR FAMILIES!) than Manchester, as long as those teams are in the CL every year and able to pay top tier wages.

Sure, players have come to Manchester to play for United, but until we are able to stay at the top for at least a few years on the run, and get deep into the CL, Manchester and Man City will always be able to be set to one side.

THAT is why Mansour is building a foundation for the future. His investment only pays off with CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT AND PERFORMANCE, and he is unwilling to pay £100M in transfer fees every year, because it can NEVER pay off.

Is Suarez the next Silva? We hope so! Razak the next Yaya? Rekik the next Joleon? SOMEONE has to take their place over time, and throwing £100M at it every year is not the way forward.

So, Agger @ £25M is everything Mansour does NOT want to happen here at City....and I am with him.

Can somebody please summarize this in one or two sentences?

If we stand still others catch up, we should go all out for Martinez and De Rossi,. The FFP is a crock of *hit and PSG will prove it.

 

[MCFC-alan88]

119 prem appearances in 7 seasons. I don't want him for the same reasons I don't want RVP.

 

[BlakeTheBlue]

£25M?!

Ridiculous. Stupid. Preposterous.

None of that means we wouldn't, just describes my own feelings on it. He has virtually NO resale value and will walk away at the end of a 4 yr deal on a free, with all the money going into his own pocket.

There is a sliding scale between age and fee. Agger is at the cheap end of that scale that would require him to be absolutely world class to be anywhere close to £25M. He is not, by ANYONE'S measure.

Throw in about £5M in wages and he becomes an aging, fragile centre half costing £45M?!!

It is a silly joke for anyone with ANY business sense.

£25M fees should be reserved for people who CHANGE GAMES....goal scorers and creative midfielders. I think it is widely acknowledged that £22M was excessive for Lescott. WE are not that team anymore, nor should we allow ourselves to be treated that way.

RVP @ £25M? If he makes the difference between winning the league and not, he MIGHT be worth it to some teams. Agger @ £25M? For a defender who will not simply walk into the team? Nonsensical!

How ridiculous would it seem to have a back three of Kompany, Agger and Lescott, with VK @£6M, DA @ £25M, and JL @ £22M? VK worth 1/4 of EITHER of the others?!!!

And, £53M of defenders with the world's best 'keeper behind them.........costing £500K!

We are no longer the bitches of the transfer market. If someone does not want to come here, fuck 'em and move on. Maybe that attitude is better to learn upfront, instead of a season or two in. London, Paris, Milan, Barca, Madrid, etc...will ALWAYS be more attractive to the top players (AND THEIR FAMILIES!) than Manchester, as long as those teams are in the CL every year and able to pay top tier wages.

Sure, players have come to Manchester to play for United, but until we are able to stay at the top for at least a few years on the run, and get deep into the CL, Manchester and Man City will always be able to be set to one side.

THAT is why Mansour is building a foundation for the future. His investment only pays off with CONTINUED IMPROVEMENT AND PERFORMANCE, and he is unwilling to pay £100M in transfer fees every year, because it can NEVER pay off.

Is Suarez the next Silva? We hope so! Razak the next Yaya? Rekik the next Joleon? SOMEONE has to take their place over time, and throwing £100M at it every year is not the way forward.

So, Agger @ £25M is everything Mansour does NOT want to happen here at City....and I am with him.

Here Here Chicago mate. Top post and i agree 100% with every word. Agger is a very good CB with an unfortunate injury record. He is also 27 years old, and while that is no way ancient for a defender, it still isn't young compared to the money liverpool want. Considering the wage demands along with the transfer fee it's too big of a risk for a very good but by no means world class defender. Liverpool fans will argue all day that he is in the top bracket of defenders in football but remember, this is the fanbase that believe Lucas is the best defensive mid ever to play the game, LOL.

Agger is a £15M - £18M / £70,000PW player if ever there was one. But Liverpool want the big bucks because it's Man City. Well fuck that. If it means missing out on a few to let clubs know we won't be taken for a ride anymore then so be it.

Martinez is worth a huge bid... Agger isn't. De Rossi is worth a huge bid... RvP isn't.

Let's see our youth lads get a go at the premier league. Suarez, Rekik and Razak look great. It's time to push on with their development. This is where our future HAS to lie to become the self sustaning giant we need to be.

 

[VincentVincentKompany]

Hi all, apologies for the late reply. Currently sat in Manchester airport boarding a flight to Paris at 6 am as I am on business/holiday for the weekend. The delay yesterday, was partly down to Ian Ayre being an incompetent fool as well as them signing Allen From Swansea. I expect
Things to be brought up to speed today, especially
After the telling off Marwood has had (not only from Mancini).

 

[BlakeTheBlue]

Hi all, apologies for the late reply. Currently sat in Manchester airport boarding a flight to Paris at 6 am as I am on business/holiday for the weekend. The delay yesterday, was partly down to Ian Ayre being an incompetent fool as well as them signing Allen From Swansea. I expect
Things to be brought up to speed today, especially
After the telling off Marwood has had (not only from Mancini).

Hmmm, I think there's a few people on the forum that wan't a word with you mate. I on the other couldn't care less about ITK, KFA, WUM or any other childish internet witch hunt shite. Just a heads up lad... So i guess i'll just leave one of these here for you and wish you all the best ;)

 

[onetruesaxon]

God this is gonna be good!

 

[1.618034]

Hi all, apologies for the late reply. Currently sat in Manchester airport boarding a flight to Paris at 6 am as I am on business/holiday for the weekend. The delay yesterday, was partly down to Ian Ayre being an incompetent fool as well as them signing Allen From Swansea. I expect
Things to be brought up to speed today, especially
After the telling off Marwood has had (not only from Mancini).

Gotta admire your balls...

 

[citytill1die84]

Hi all, apologies for the late reply. Currently sat in Manchester airport boarding a flight to Paris at 6 am as I am on business/holiday for the weekend. The delay yesterday, was partly down to Ian Ayre being an incompetent fool as well as them signing Allen From Swansea. I expect
Things to be brought up to speed today, especially
After the telling off Marwood has had (not only from Mancini).

Gotta admire your balls...

+1

 

[Lomas has a lob on]

Hi all, apologies for the late reply. Currently sat in Manchester airport boarding a flight to Paris at 6 am as I am on business/holiday for the weekend. The delay yesterday, was partly down to Ian Ayre being an incompetent fool as well as them signing Allen From Swansea. I expect
Things to be brought up to speed today, especially
After the telling off Marwood has had (not only from Mancini).

Weather you are geniune ITK or just bullshitting, and I have my suspisions on which you are, I can't deny you've managed to make the transfer forum worthwhile again.