Danny Ings

[urban genie]

A well evidenced response as usual.

As usual????


Wasn't aware we had had a wide ranging set of discussions where "it's bollicks" has been my response

XG uses too many factors to determine it's results and is never and will never be a valid or accurate way to make predictions or analyse football.

Those that espouse it most in punditry use it as an excuse for their sides failure, Carragher loves to bring it out when the scousers are shite and some of the guff about the "real xg" league table is as said bollocks

 

[mccity]

XG uses too many factors to determine it's results and is never and will never be a valid or accurate way to make predictions or analyse football.

Never ever?

I mean thanks to xG usage it was successfully predicted Juventus would turn things around back in 17/18 and go onto win the league. In fact it was very similar with City last season. It also predicted that United were likely to drop off in 18/19 AND Liverpool were likely to drop off in the season just passed.

I'm not going to argue in favour of xG as a whole (although I'm personally for it) but the idea it's completely useless is completely off base. It's been right too many times to be completely useless.

 

[bluenova]

As usual????


Wasn't aware we had had a wide ranging set of discussions where "it's bollicks" has been my response

XG uses too many factors to determine it's results and is never and will never be a valid or accurate way to make predictions or analyse football.

Those that espouse it most in punditry use it as an excuse for their sides failure, Carragher loves to bring it out when the scousers are shite and some of the guff about the "real xg" league table is as said bollocks

Really? Liverpool would still be waiting for a league title if they played to their x-pected levels.

City, on the other hand, would be celebrating an unprecedented fifth title in a row.

 

[urban genie]

Really? Liverpool would still be waiting for a league title if they played to their x-pected levels.

City, on the other hand, would be celebrating an unprecedented fifth title in a row.

Infogol which is used as one of the leadinf Xg prediction models got five final positions correct last year none the year before and six in the 18/19 season .


As much fun as it may be it is just that, a fun statistical tool saying Ings is better than Jesus as a forward using Xg prediction is, in my opinion a load of old bollocks.

I ahave no problem if people lile.it and think it is useful or helpful but for me let's use what they actually do to judge them, not what they might do

 

[bluenova]

Infogol which is used as one of the leadinf Xg prediction models got five final positions correct last year none the year before and six in the 18/19 season .


As much fun as it may be it is just that, a fun statistical tool saying Ings is better than Jesus as a forward using Xg prediction is, in my opinion a load of old bollocks.

I ahave no problem if people lile.it and think it is useful or helpful but for me let's use what they actually do to judge them, not what they might do

You can't expect it to predict exact positions. However, last season it predicted sixteen teams' positions within 2 places, and just one was more than 4 places out. I'd suggest that shows quite a strong link between xG/xA and actual points.

It would be a pointless stat if it was exact. xG and xGA show how good a team is at creating and preventing chances, not how many goals they do score. For a striker it's handy as it can help compare two players in teams that create a different amount of chances.

As for Ings/Jesus - once you count assists, it's pretty even - but then their goals/90 mins in the PL is fairly close too. I would never swap Jesus for Ings, but I'd be interested to see how well he'd do at City.

 

[oh right]

As usual????


Wasn't aware we had had a wide ranging set of discussions where "it's bollicks" has been my response

XG uses too many factors to determine it's results and is never and will never be a valid or accurate way to make predictions or analyse football.

Those that espouse it most in punditry use it as an excuse for their sides failure, Carragher loves to bring it out when the scousers are shite and some of the guff about the "real xg" league table is as said bollocks

It’s not really rocket science is it tho mush.

Jesus is fucking wank at putting chances away whereas Ings isn’t too bad to be fair to him.

Thankfully neither will be plying their trade at this club this coming season.

 

[citymad]

It’s not really rocket science is it tho mush.

Jesus is fucking wank at putting chances away whereas Ings isn’t too bad to be fair to him.

Thankfully neither will be plying their trade at this club this coming season.

Sounds like you're being a bit of a WUM. Jesus is top quality, always will be. He's been first choice for Brazil for years. Have a look at previous posts and looks at his goals per games ratio. Up there with some of the best in Europe.

 

[Keeper!]

Sounds like you're being a bit of a WUM. Jesus is top quality, always will be. He's been first choice for Brazil for years. Have a look at previous posts and looks at his goals per games ratio. Up there with some of the best in Europe.

Statistics don't tell you the full story.

Great lad, works himself into the ground but never a serious goal threat for me, goes on long runs of not scoring and when misses chances his head and confidence drops alarmingly.

And please stop with the Brazilian International, they are a distant shadow of a one wonderful team, they are very average, even by International standards.

 

[mccity]

Statistics don't tell you the full story.

Great lad, works himself into the ground but never a serious goal threat for me, goes on long runs of not scoring and when misses chances his head and confidence drops alarmingly.

And please stop with the Brazilian International, they are a distant shadow of a one wonderful team, they are very average, even by International standards.

They might be boring to watch but suggesting Brazil are very average is a rather disingenuous point.

 

[Coatigan]

Jesus is shite

Ings is shite

All absolute pointless discussion anyway as Kane is already done, both parties waiting on shipping out Jesus and spurs signing his replacement then all will be announced. Been sorted behind the scenes for weeks.

Wait, i thought it was all done and going to be announced before the Euros. Then it was all done and going to be announced immediately after the euros. Then all done and announced when he's back from holiday. What, now it's all done and waiting to be announced bar their finding a replacement and us shifting Jesus? What's next, all done and announced as soon as terms are agreed and spurs accept a fee?

You'd give the Italian twitterati a run for their money. Either that or your brother seems to be winding you up mate.

 

[Keeper!]

They might be boring to watch but suggesting Brazil are very average is a rather disingenuous point.

Is it? you watched them recently? They are poor, without doubt the poorest Brazilian team I have ever seen, a shadow of the once great teams and players.

 

[mccity]

Is it? you watched them recently? They are poor, without doubt the poorest Brazilian team I have ever seen, a shadow of the once great teams and players.

So?

They aren't a very average by current international standards. That would imply that there are a lot of teams currently better than Brazil, and I don't think that's the case.

 

[Keeper!]

So?

They aren't a very average by current international standards. That would imply that there are a lot of teams currently better than Brazil, and I don't think that's the case.

True but current international standards are the lowest they have ever been.

City would hammer this Brazilian side and all International sides for that matter.

And the same applies to all the top Premier sides, International football is no longer the best.

 

[Bluesince88]

Brazil are shite.

Danny Ings is shite. Close thread

 

[Coatigan]

It is interesting how so many dismiss the idea of Ings being of any interest at all to the club. When, judging by what is available in the media and public domain, there is actually more out there to suggest links with him than there is for Kane. And Haaland for that matter.

Not that I am arguing that means we would get him over the other two, or are even looking at him that much. More that we are being selective with interpretation, latching onto some claims, but dismissing other similar slightly stronger claims that might even make a bit of sense.

 

[mccity]

When, judging by what is available in the media and public domain, there is actually more out there to suggest links with him than there is for Kane. And Haaland for that matter.

Any chance you could elaborate on this? I've seen A LOT of Kane to City discussion out there.

 

[Bluesince88]

It is interesting how so many dismiss the idea of Ings being of any interest at all to the club. When, judging by what is available in the media and public domain, there is actually more out there to suggest links with him than there is for Kane. And Haaland for that matter.

Not that I am arguing that means we would get him over the other two, or are even looking at him that much. More that we are being selective with interpretation, latching onto some claims, but dismissing other similar slightly stronger claims that might even make a bit of sense.

Also interesting that you’re against very very good players yet have such a cool minded opinion when it comes to Ings. Or is that just because of how much you don’t want Kane? There’s certainly more Kane to city stories than Ings but as you don’t want Kane you’re starting your own narrative. If we replaced our greatest striker ever with fucking Ings then I can’t imagine many would be happy, other than you, as it’s anyone but Kane.

 

[Coatigan]

Any chance you could elaborate on this? I've seen A LOT of Kane to City discussion out there.

Depends on what you mean by a lot, but there has been a lot on Ings too, and earlier than Kane. By the same people in the media. My point is more about reactions than listing comparisons though.

When the links with Ings started, we instantly dismissed them. No way are we replacing Sergio with a 28 year old. It is just his agent looking for a better deal. Scores a lot but not the profile. etc etc.

Kane is also 28. Ok in a few days for the technicality lot, but 28 when he signs and plays for us.

The links with Kane really started when his interview was released, and that was recieved as anywhere between 'this has been done for some time' and 'he must at least have some encouragement from us to say that publicly'.

Ings offically turns down a 4 year improved contract offer from Southampton. But that can't he must have had some encouragement from somehere to do that, with us being the club most strongly linked club.

The club hasn't denied the links to Kane (we most often don't anyway). So that must mean we Are in for him. The club hasn't denied the links to Ings either. means nothing. Means nothing in both cases for me fwiw.

We readily believe that we would pay over double our transfer record, just like that, for a very very good player that scores lots of goals in the league. But wouldn't pay some 25-30m for a very good player that scores lots of goals im the league, of the same age. Who happens to be easier to get with only a year left on his contract and at a club known for selling more readily.

Again, for clarity, not that i believe we wre in for ings, or in for ings over Kane, and i certainly would've want Ings over kane. I just think we are very selective with what is out there to suit the players we fancy. Myself included at times, although I do try at least notice the parity.

 

[Coatigan]

Also interesting that you’re against very very good players yet have such a cool minded opinion when it comes to Ings. Or is that just because of how much you don’t want Kane? There’s certainly more Kane to city stories than Ings but as you don’t want Kane you’re starting your own narrative. If we replaced our greatest striker ever with fucking Ings then I can’t imagine many would be happy, other than you, as it’s anyone but Kane.

Wind your neck in kane-boy. Not everything is about defending harry's honour, stop obsessing over what I think or don't think of one player, and sliding in every time I say something remotely mentioning him.

My point had absolutely nothing to do with 'not wanting kane' nor did it even suggest that. It was about the links for ings. In the fucking Ings thread. Above more on that, if you can separate youd own obsession for Kane from an otherwise simple point. And stop being so patronising while you are at it.

 

[BringBackSwales]

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