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David Moyes - Honest opinions
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Jack the United fan
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leewill31 said:its certainly going to be an extremely high pressured season for gollum and players if they don't start off so well.
it would be interesting to know how much the pisscan will actually take a back seat in all of this as well.
I really hope us United fans don't get on his back after a few bad results. It's entirely possible we will see bad patches, and i'm prepared for the worst. But I really hope we don't do a Blackburn or a Chelsea and turn up to games with 'Moyes out' banners.
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a good manager but not a utd manager in my opinion. in fact its very funny.
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Jack the United fan said:leewill31 said:its certainly going to be an extremely high pressured season for gollum and players if they don't start off so well.
it would be interesting to know how much the pisscan will actually take a back seat in all of this as well.
I really hope us United fans don't get on his back after a few bad results. It's entirely possible we will see bad patches, and i'm prepared for the worst. But I really hope we don't do a Blackburn or a Chelsea and turn up to games with 'Moyes out' banners.
like you did with baconface you mean?
He's decent at best imo. In 4 consecutive years at Everton he finished 7th, 17th, 4th, and 11th. lol. That's incredibly inconsistent, and even slight inconsistencies will be noticed at United to a far greater extent than at Everton. Despite some good seasons I would venture a guess that the highest points tally he's ever recorded in the PL is around 60-65. Increasing that by 25 points isn't going to be easy even with a better team. Besides a few scraps against relegation he's never really faced the kind of pressure that goes with title challenge, or even top 4 challenge - the pressure of having to win every game or fall behind. I just don't think he's been tested with those kinds of standards and so it's hard for me to see him being anywhere near as successful as Ferguson.
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I don't think it would be possible for him to be as dominant as Ferguson and that would be an unfair way to measure his success.GHoddle said:He's decent at best imo. In 4 consecutive years at Everton he finished 7th, 17th, 4th, and 11th. lol. That's incredibly inconsistent, and even slight inconsistencies will be noticed at United to a far greater extent than at Everton. Despite some good seasons I would venture a guess that the highest points tally he's ever recorded in the PL is around 60-65. Increasing that by 25 points isn't going to be easy even with a better team. Besides a few scraps against relegation he's never really faced the kind of pressure that goes with title challenge, or even top 4 challenge - the pressure of having to win every game or fall behind. I just don't think he's been tested with those kinds of standards and so it's hard for me to see him being anywhere near as successful as Ferguson.
Ferguson was a great manager, true, but his ability to dominate for as long as he did was that for large parts of his tenure he was able to financially out muscle any other managers in the domestic game. Moyes will not have this luxury.
This financial dominance had waned in recent years, with the emergence of us and Chelsea, but his managerial brilliance and his ability to intimidate officials and flex his muscles with his peers ensured that Taggart kept united at the top.
To me it would be misguided to enter into any meaningful and definitive analysis of Moyes' prospects without knowing upon what terms he has been hired, something we will be unable to do until the end of this transfer window. If, as I suspect, he's been taken on with a view to operating on a relatively limited budget, say £50 million net on transfers pa, then I think a fall outside the top three is a distinct possibility, with a place outside the top four a remote one.
There are systemic problems with that squad, whose key players, unlike ours, are all in their very late twenties/thirties. They require far more surgery than we do on an ongoing basis to keep up at the top of the English and European game. In addition Moyes could have the added problem of his lack of gravitas as a manager acting as a limiting factor in player recruitment.
He is, however, anything but a fool. He will play whatever hand he is dealt pretty well imo, but what that hand is depends on the medium term strategy of the club's owners. So far there has been scant evidence of a commitment to extensive investment in the playing squad and I would be shocked if we saw a departure from that policy, as they continue to milk the club for all they can.
Anyone expecting an implosion at united will be sorely disappointed, they are far too much an established force on the game for that to happen with any permanence, but the next couple of season could represent a real chance for us to have serous bragging rights over united, a prospect which seemed the stuff of fantasy a few short years ago.
Roll on next season.
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Glad to see your still posting on the best fans forum in the world, well after rawk:)Jack the United fan said:leewill31 said:its certainly going to be an extremely high pressured season for gollum and players if they don't start off so well.
it would be interesting to know how much the pisscan will actually take a back seat in all of this as well.
I really hope us United fans don't get on his back after a few bad results. It's entirely possible we will see bad patches, and i'm prepared for the worst. But I really hope we don't do a Blackburn or a Chelsea and turn up to games with 'Moyes out' banners.
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mancityvstoke said:Jack the United fan said:leewill31 said:its certainly going to be an extremely high pressured season for gollum and players if they don't start off so well.
it would be interesting to know how much the pisscan will actually take a back seat in all of this as well.
I really hope us United fans don't get on his back after a few bad results. It's entirely possible we will see bad patches, and i'm prepared for the worst. But I really hope we don't do a Blackburn or a Chelsea and turn up to games with 'Moyes out' banners.
like you did with baconface you mean?
Anyone who remembers that 5-1 match at Maine Road will remember utd fans chanting fergie out and City chanting fergie in little did we both know at the time!!Why did the utd board have to listen to us!!
But in the modern game utd fans would find it very difficult to tolerate a 5-6 trophyless season especially if its us winning the pots. While i dont think they will have banners i dont think they will be quiet either.
The modern game is very different now, if Fergie had started managing utd in the mid 2000s rather than the mid 80s he would have certainly have been sacked.