Dawn Butler MP

[ctwrd]

Johnson got burned though

Does he care?
His image is of a buffoon anyway.
His father is the same and people seem to lap him up.
People were queuing up for selfies in Scarborough.
Even hardened tories admit he’s not that competent.
the alternative of Corbyn was far worse of course and starmer just so bland and lacking in any kind of messaging that inspires besides some Twitter fanatics that like his “forensic” (bland) PMQs

 

[hilts]

I used 90 because it was the number you mentioned but I think the general point is that the less educated (or intelligent) are more likely to vote based more on what they see superficially rather than what they find out by looking into things in more detail, and any help they can get to find out a bit more has to be a good thing even if they still end up supporting him in spite of his uselessness.

No most vote out of self interest whether they be intelligent or dumb as fuck, to try and claim stupid people in posh parts of the country vote Tory is laughable. The depressing part of our current situation is that many intelligent people know what the Tories are but vote for them anyhow.

 

[west didsblue]

No most vote out of self interest whether they be intelligent or dumb as fuck, to try and claim stupid people in posh parts of the country vote Tory is laughable. The depressing part of our current situation is that many intelligent people know what the Tories are but vote for them anyhow.

I don’t disagree with much of that but there is a subset of people who vote for Johnson for the reasons I’ve said and if it starts to get through to even a proportion of them that he’s not the affable buffoon trying his best but a devious liar, then maybe he will lose a small percentage of his support which may be enough along with other reasons for him to lose next time which will be better for everyone.

 

[hilts]

I don’t disagree with much of that but there is a subset of people who vote for Johnson for the reasons I’ve said and if it starts to get through to even a proportion of them that he’s not the affable buffoon trying his best but a devious liar, then maybe he will lose a small percentage of his support which may be enough along with other reasons for him to lose next time which will be better for everyone.

I think because of Brexit Covid Boris and labours woes the next election and the future of the U.K. is up for grabs. If/when Covid calms down and questions are asked not just about the handling of the virus but pretty much everything else we will see political carnage.

For those who like politics it’s going to be interesting and I can see similarities with the US nonsense.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I think because of Brexit Covid Boris and labours woes the next election and the future of the U.K. is up for grabs. If/when Covid calms down and questions are asked not just about the handling of the virus but pretty much everything else we will see political carnage.

For those who like politics it’s going to be interesting and I can see similarities with the US nonsense.

as cynical as it sounds Covid came along at just the right time for the Tories as it masks the impact of Brexit. The problem is their handling of Covid is proving to be cack handed at best - corrupt and deceitful at worst - Brexit will become front and foremost next year as the vaccinations increase and the numbers should fall again. He then has the issue does he try and bluff Brexit out or go to change the 5 year GE act and if he does that does he look desperate to avoid fighting an election before things get worse. I agree its going to be very interesting.

 

[SWP's back]

It made all the TV news channels actually. That means it went to people of all political persuasions. It won’t affect my sleep in any way but it looks like it’s pissed you off.

How so?

 

[west didsblue]

Does he care?
His image is of a buffoon anyway.
His father is the same and people seem to lap him up.
People were queuing up for selfies in Scarborough.
Even hardened tories admit he’s not that competent.
the alternative of Corbyn was far worse of course and starmer just so bland and lacking in any kind of messaging that inspires besides some Twitter fanatics that like his “forensic” (bland) PMQs

Always have to laugh at posts like this where it’s unequivocally stated that the alternative to Johnson would have been far worse. How many more tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths would you have expected and how many more billions would have been wasted on paying for things that were not fit for purpose. How much worse a Brexit deal would we have had. Worse than one we are already trying to renegotiate? How much closer to the disintegration of the U.K. and the end of peace in NI would any alternative have taken us? I’ll take a bit of bland competence over colourful buffoonery and criminal incompetence any day of the week. That doesn’t make me a Corbyn fan by the way, that fucker is complicit in giving us Johnson by being the useless twat that he is, but I can’t honestly say he would be a worse PM because it would be practically impossible.

 

[blueish swede]

Asked to leave the chamber for telling the truth about Johnson.

This is how low the moral and ethical standards of this nation have fallen. Liars can lie, call out the liars and be sanctioned. Disgusting.

Pretty maningless in the end. What she should have done is refuse to leave the chamber when challenged by the speaker.

The tradition that MPs don't call each other liars is grounded in the tradition that MPs don't lie at the dispatch box. When one goes out the window the other goes as well.

 

[jma]

I stopped caring about lying bastards from Westminster when some toff was in charge and lying was often his stock in trade, so much so that the gutter press often named him Bliar. But let's not get into a lather about ANOTHER politician lying, it's what they do! Burglars nick things, thugs batter people, footballers kick a ball, cricketers swing a bat, politicians lie. It'll be real news when it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that one of 'em has told the truth.

This is such a dangerous and uninformed, clichéd attitude and it is exactly the attitude that this current government have cynically counted on will allow them to get away with being utterly dishonest and corrupt as a matter of course.

To be clear, NO OTHER GOVERNMENT in modern UK history has even come close to being as institutionally dishonest and dismissive of the population as this government. It's not difficult to establish this if you have any knowledge of politics over the last 30 years.

Not May's
Not Cameron's
Not Brown's
Not Blair's
Not Major's
Not Thatcher's

And you can keep going as long as you want.

And the reason that none of them even come close to being as consistently dishonest as this government is that everyone one of those governments contained at least a significant percentage (not all of them) of people who, whether you agreed with their thoughts and politics, were, to a large degree, motivated by public service and were hard working and bright.

And, just as importantly, were always led by a prime minister who had a, sometimes misplaced, strong notion of public service and work ethic themselves.

But this current government is a hollowed out husk of a tory party. The remains following a deliberate purging of many of those mps who had a notion of public service and talent, with any of those that remain banished to the back bench. The cabinet has been selected precisely because they stated their willingness to be compliant to a lazy and devious prime minister, not because they are the most talented members of the party.

And that is totally different to any UK government in living memory.

If you - and loads of people do - continue to parrot this lazy cliche about them all being the same and all lying as much as each other then you are being the patsy that they are counting on. Because people lazily taking that attitude is the key component that they have factored in when deciding that constant, unprecedented dishonesty is something that they can get away with.

 

[jma]

Saying that this government is just as dishonest as all their predecessors is as ridiculous as saying that all previous US presidents were as dishonest as Trump.

It's a position that you can only take if you are, deliberately or otherwise, ignorant of the facts.